New BBC iPlayer ?

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Yes, but in order to get the full version of iPlayer on Virgin at the moment you have to pay for TIVO. So in effect you need to pay.

If the full version is on TIVO no reason why it shouldn't be on all boxes if there is no cost involved. (unless there is, as I suspect, a commercial reason).

I'd like to just remind you that the BBC have shown they are willing to stop iPlayer being shown on services where they can see companies are making a profit from BBC services.

Why do you think iPlayer has never been made available on the Xbox?

[muppetman11]

I'm on Sky we'res my iplayer at least VM offer you Iplayer content on all boxes LOL.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Stuart

I'd like to just remind you that the BBC have shown they are willing to stop iPlayer being shown on services where they can see companies are making a profit from BBC services.

Why do you think iPlayer has never been made available on the Xbox?

Not sure whether it's complete about companies making a profit from BBC services in general, more about charging for access specifically for iPlayer content

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...efinitely.html

[clinteastman]

Originally Posted by Stuart

I'd like to just remind you that the BBC have shown they are willing to stop iPlayer being shown on services where they can see companies are making a profit from BBC services.

Why do you think iPlayer has never been made available on the Xbox?

Yep the BBC have been quite open about the fact it's not on Xbox because Microsoft wanted it to be behind the Gold membership pay wall.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Stuart

I'd like to just remind you that the BBC have shown they are willing to stop iPlayer being shown on services where they can see companies are making a profit from BBC services.?

Good, glad to hear it. In which case Virgin are sailing very close to the wind by only giving the full iPlayer to TIVO customers. I can feel a letter to the BBC on the the subject coming on, just in case they aren't aware . As mentioned next week's Radio Times seems to indicate they think its been made available to all Virgin's customers. I don't believe the excuse that the other boxes aren't up to it. It's only adding a bit more content, there seems to be unlimited capacity pay on demand programmes.....

[TheDon]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Good, glad to hear it. In which case Virgin are sailing very close to the wind by only giving the full iPlayer to TIVO customers. I can feel a letter to the BBC on the the subject coming on, just in case they aren't aware . As mentioned next week's Radio Times seems to indicate they think its been made available to all Virgin's customers. I don't believe the excuse that the other boxes aren't up to it. It's only adding a bit more content, there seems to be unlimited capacity pay on demand programmes.....

VM give iplayer to all their customers though.

If you want to complain about not having the same content on non-Tivo boxes then you're right to write to the BBC, write to them and complain about THEM not loading the standard iplayer up with the same amount of content.

It is the BBC that dictates what's on the non-Tivo iplayer, not VM.

[toady]

The non TIVO boxes are not upto using iPlayer over broadband. Its also not a bit more content VM can only provide around a 1/3 of the broadband iPlayer, I assume there is a limited capacity in transcoding to MPEG2

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by TheDon

VM give iplayer to all their customers though.

If you want to complain about not having the same content on non-Tivo boxes then you're right to write to the BBC, write to them and complain about THEM not loading the standard iplayer up with the same amount of content.

It is the BBC that dictates what's on the non-Tivo iplayer, not VM.

Ok thanks, I'm certainly going to write to them on the subject. Ben Mcr indicated earlier in the thread that it was that the boxes weren't up to it, now its the BBC's fault for not supplying it. The BBC certainly are supplying it or it wouldn't be on TIVO. I'll report back if I get a response from the Beeb.

[TheDon]

Originally Posted by toady

The non TIVO boxes are not upto using iPlayer over broadband. Its also not a bit more content VM can only provide around a 1/3 of the broadband iPlayer, I assume there is a limited capacity in transcoding to MPEG2

Transcoding what to mpeg2?
SD is mpeg 2 anyway.

Even for HD there's no need to transcode any more than it already has been to broadcast it. They're already transcoding the channel on the fly, the videos for iplayer are simply taken from the video stream that's broadcast so everything is already in a format that's displayable by the box.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Ok thanks, I'm certainly going to write to them on the subject. Ben Mcr indicated earlier in the thread that it was that the boxes weren't up to it, now its the BBC's fault for not supplying it. The BBC certainly are supplying it or it wouldn't be on TIVO. I'll report back if I get a response from the Beeb.

The boxes aren't up to showing the online version of iplayer like the tivo boxes do.

The BBC aren't supplying the full iplayer content it to VM's VOD servers.

Tivo takes it from the same source as the BBC's online player, NOT from VM's VOD servers, hence the difference in content available, one is taking it from VM's VOD servers, the other from online, in both cases it's the BBC that dictate what is available. VM are offering everything the BBC gives them, that the BBC aren't delivering the full catch up service to VM's VOD servers IS NOT VM's fault.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Good, glad to hear it. In which case Virgin are sailing very close to the wind by only giving the full iPlayer to TIVO customers. I can feel a letter to the BBC on the the subject coming on, just in case they aren't aware . As mentioned next week's Radio Times seems to indicate they think its been made available to all Virgin's customers. I don't believe the excuse that the other boxes aren't up to it. It's only adding a bit more content, there seems to be unlimited capacity pay on demand programmes.....

But virgin don't manage the BBC content available on On Demand. The BBC does.

[Mr K]

OK, so its either the BBC's fault for not supplying it or Virgin's for with holding it. I'm determined to find out which. Either way lets not pretend that its a case of 'the boxes aren't up to it'.

Sorry if I've 'gone off on one' but this has irritated me that Virgin are peddling this as part of their TIVO service when it should be free to every license payer.

[TheDon]

You've found out which it is, we've told you.
The BBC don't supply the full catch up server to VM's VOD servers.
The boxes aren't up to doing iplayer the Tivo way, which doesn't use VM's VOD servers which would allow them the full content. To get the full content on them now the BBC need to supply VM with it, which they currently don't.

VM aren't peddling it as part of the TIVO service. It's an incidental benefit.

[Horace]

Basically the TIVO boxes are plugging into the internet service hence the extra content, the internet service has always had far more content than VM's service for whatever reason (probably space). Nothing dodgy at all, it's like VM supplying selected YouTube content on older boxes but TIVO having full net access and therefore can support the full service, no VM storage or server utilisation necessary since it's just a glorified browser in the shape of an app/widget/gadget or whatever TIVO calls its plugins.

[japitts]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

The current STBs are not technically advanced enough to run the full iPlayer app

The reason there is more content available is that the TiVo app is pulling it from the BBC's online store for iPlayer via the built in cable broadband connection, rather than the content the BBC provide Virgin to load onto their VoD servers for the existing platform.

Which presumably also means TiVo catch-up is not affeced by the "stuttering pictures" bug? Me sees another reason for VM to quietly forget about this known-issue and push TiVo :-(

Originally Posted by japitts

Which presumably also means TiVo catch-up is not affeced by the "stuttering pictures" bug? Me sees another reason for VM to quietly forget about this known-issue and push TiVo :-(

Keep your old box then.