This is what is wrong with this country ?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

A fair wage is a living wage not the minimum, far to many companies seem to have it as the default wage these days imo.

That is correct ,what i meant in my post was people can't expect a wage that will give them 2 cars and umpteen holidays abroard when they have no skill set .I also agree that the minimum wage seems to be the default setting for wages at the unskilled end of the scale and getting above that seems to be very hard .The minimum wage law seems to be a double edged sword imo ,on one hand it guarantees a minimum wage but employers will always try to keep wages as close to it as possible

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Originally Posted by Gary L

That's what the voter will want. or do you expect every parties manifesto is going to say we promise to cut this and that, and the public will vote for the one with the most cuts planned?

it used to be the case that we voted for a party that said they we're going to put more police on the street. remember them days?

I think Cameron touched on that when he was elected ,i seem to remember him saying that he only has one term in office to turn things around because the cuts he has to make will be so unpopular that labour will get straight back in power .
Unless he is a lot more aggressive in his stance against labour,and by that i mean being 100% open about the mess that labour made of what was at the time labour came to power a very strong economy,then i don't think he has a cat in hells chance of retaining power .I think a few tv interviews about "the state of the nation" explaining clearly why these cuts have to be made because sadly there is still a large section of society who do not understand that we have no money left and the only reason labour could get us into so much debt by using our AAA credit rating was because of the previous tory government who got us that AAA credit rating

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Gary L

That's what the voter will want. or do you expect every parties manifesto is going to say we promise to cut this and that, and the public will vote for the one with the most cuts planned?

it used to be the case that we voted for a party that said they we're going to put more police on the street. remember them days?

It's not what I want. I'm a realist. I know that New Labour stitched us up and spent/wasted vast amounts money they didn't have. I wouldn't vote for that. How about you?

[nutellajunkie]

one word. contraception.

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by nutellajunkie

one word. contraception.

Erm, are you in the right thread?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Osem

It's not what I want. I'm a realist. I know that New Labour stitched us up and spent/wasted vast amounts money they didn't have. I wouldn't vote for that. How about you?

I won't vote for either of them.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by nutellajunkie

one word. contraception.

But you see thats not such good idea for those that know how to milk the Benefits and CSA system is it.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Sirius

But you see thats not such good idea for those that know how to milk the Benefits and CSA system is it.

The obvious solution is of course to change the benefits system

As far as milking the CSA system goes it's fairly simple - if you do the deed you should man up and face the consequences. If more men did less of our money would be spent supporting their children.

[Sparkle]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

As far as milking the CSA system goes it's fairly simple - if you do the deed you should man up and face the consequences. If more men did less of our money would be spent supporting their children.

I somehow don't think its quite as simple as that

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Sparkle

I somehow don't think its quite as simple as that

Indeed. Drink normally increases the risk that some poor lad will be conned by the oldest trick in the book.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Indeed. Drink normally increases the risk that some poor lad will be conned by the oldest trick in the book.

LOL
the poor lads get tricked into giving her a pregnant pension. they get nothing out of it at all. not even the dirty nappies

[Sparkle]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Indeed. Drink normally increases the risk that some poor lad will be conned by the oldest trick in the book.

Would that be the beergoggles phenomenon coupled with the increased propensity to believe the "I'm on the pill" gag ?
Judging by some of the talent I've seen up the duff, single and claiming benefits - I'd assume so.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Sparkle

Would that be the beergoggles phenomenon coupled with the increased propensity to believe the "I'm on the pill" gag ?
Judging by some of the talent I've seen up the duff, single and claiming benefits - I'd assume so.

You hit the nail on the head there,

Originally Posted by Sirius

Indeed. Drink normally increases the risk that some poor lad will be conned by the oldest trick in the book.

In a few cases possibly.However there are many whom don't give a toss about their progeny except as bragging rights..

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

In a few cases possibly.However there are many whom don't give a toss about their progeny except as bragging rights..

I agree fully, But there are lots of young girls out there that see it as a ticket to a house, benefits and 18 years of money from some poor lad who fell for the oldest trick in the book. "honest i am on the pill"

Originally Posted by Sirius

I agree fully, But there are lots of young girls out there that see it as a ticket to a house, benefits and 18 years of money from some poor lad who fell for the oldest trick in the book. "honest i am on the pill"

They should take precautions.




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