TiVo

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by oliver1948uk

I am a person who likes to press a button and it works, not mess around with settings all the time. I have not changed any defaults on my SA V+, yet it is very rare indeed for recordings not to cover the whole programme, even when back to back.

Nearly everything I read about this Tivo puts me off. If it had a dynamic programme guide (it is utterly unbelievable to me that it does not) then all this stuff about padding would not matter.

Did I read that you cannot press INFO and instantly find out about a programme as on V+ (though admittedly you often have to do it twice to get the information)? I find this unbelievable too.

Why not start with all the V+ does then add the Tivo business of thumbs up and down for those who find that sort of thing appealing.

I hope VM continue to develop the V+ with a larger hard drive as I am beginning to believe that, for the ordinary customer, they are on a loser with this Tivo which seems old fashioned in so many respects.

INFO (in the TV Guide) will re re-added on the next code release. You press OK instead ATM (as Ben says INFO still works if you want to know about the current programme)

It's a TiVo software build that's being moulded to suit the needs of Virgin Media and it's customers.

V+HD will be phased out at some stage, but no roadmap has been published regarding this.

[Perfect Choice]

So just need a configurable default for padding which is what V+ does not in effect where I have a 2 minute before and 10 minute after padding for all recordings, as it is common for programmes to be delayed on the schedule and it is so annoying when you miss the last few minutes of a programme so global/default paddingt would be nice and then gets cut off if clashing with a following programme, as V+ does now.

[ntl.wotcha]

Originally Posted by passingbat

So, I don't want forced padding imposed on TIVO.

It wouldn't be forced on you, it's just changing the default. As I said, you could always go in and set it to zero padding if you wish.

I would imagine most V+ owners have padding set so most would want it on TiVo too...

[oliver1948uk]

Surely pressing OK will change to the higlighted channel, not tell you about the programme?

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by oliver1948uk

Surely pressing OK will change to the higlighted channel, not tell you about the programme?

On programmes showing now it does. On future dated programmes it offers recording options along with information on the programme

'Info' on the programme you are watching works fine (as it does in recordings and most other places)

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by Perfect Choice

So just need a configurable default for padding which is what V+ does not in effect where I have a 2 minute before and 10 minute after padding for all recordings, as it is common for programmes to be delayed on the schedule and it is so annoying when you miss the last few minutes of a programme so global/default paddingt would be nice and then gets cut off if clashing with a following programme, as V+ does now.

yeah, this will be added later this year.

Most of the programmes I record are series anyway, so I select the padding in just a few button presses when I set the record. Very simple.

[Perfect Choice]

Agree, most of mine are series recordings but there are always the one-off recordings where I will need to remember to set up padding until the patch update is available in September. Don't see it as a big issue, just need to remember.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

yeah, this will be added later this year.

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But will this new version do what the V+does, and drop padding for two shows, back to back on different channels on the same tuner? To me, the V+ implementation of padding was perfect ---- why change it?

[oliver1948uk]

Totally agree. Going backwards.

[ntl.wotcha]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

You are doing it wrong then Press OK instead of record in the TV Guide.

DF, OK takes you to the same menu as record. If you select record this showing, you get no padding. If you go into series link and other options then you have another set of menus where you can set the padding.

This really all boils down to usability. I personally want to pad all my recordings as I expect most people will and right now I'm having to walk through menus to find these options.

In my company if we develop a new app we build specific UAT environments which testers users use to hammer out kinks like this. If a user says a high use function is buried too deep in the menu system, we bring it out into a higher level of the app or provide a direct short cut. While this may not be possible in this instance, if the default was changed to something other than "no padding", this whole issue would go away until TiVo can give us the user defined preferences.

[oliver1948uk]

. . . but only if back to back recordings work as on V+

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by ntl.wotcha

DF, OK takes you to the same menu as record. If you select record this showing, you get no padding. If you go into series link and other options then you have another set of menus where you can set the padding.

This really all boils down to usability. I personally want to pad all my recordings as I expect most people will and right now I'm having to walk through menus to find these options.

In my company if we develop a new app we build specific UAT environments which testers users use to hammer out kinks like this. If a user says a high use function is buried too deep in the menu system, we bring it out into a higher level of the app or provide a direct short cut. While this may not be possible in this instance, if the default was changed to something other than "no padding", this whole issue would go away until TiVo can give us the user defined preferences.

you said you had no padding options when you pressed "record"

It's there on the screen... "Series Link and other options"

It's not difficult

[ntl.wotcha]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

It's not difficult

I'm not saying it's not difficult, I'm saying I shouldn't have to.

If you walked into Tesco to buy a pint of milk, only to find Tesco put up a sign on the shelf saying "milk is out the back in the warehouse, go find it yourself". How would you feel ?

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by ntl.wotcha

I'm not saying it's not difficult, I'm saying I shouldn't have to.

If you walked into Tesco to buy a pint of milk, only to find Tesco put up a sign on the shelf saying "milk is out the back in the warehouse, go find it yourself". How would you feel ?

More like the shelf underneath but...

I understand that having global padding options available is something people want, as VM/TiVo have already said it will be added later this year.

It's not a show stopper though as some are making out

[Cozzy]

I know i have said i wont get Tivo (or at least i wont pay for it) but i am following this thread with interest being someone who likes techy advances.

So far the more i read the more i believe VM have made a mess by releasing a completely unfinished product ... there seems so many things that point to it being released at least 6 months/a year too early. Those that have it may defend it to the hilt but the average person and therefore the average VM customer wants a finished fully working product which the current state of Tivo is clearly not at.

Half or more of the menus are old SD format, and based on 10 year old code with a number of basic functions like the INFO button are not yet working. The statement from the tivo forums there is one code drop due soon and the bigger code drop in around September (unless delayed of course) just shows the product in not finished by any means. The basic functions in these code drops should have been there way before the product was allowed into the public domain and in particular the September code drop with its fixes as that will be months after official launch.

No excuses .. you would not expect Sony or Panasonic or other big brand leaders to release a product as half finished as the Tivo is yet VM have rushed this product out to try compete against Sky and VM's lack of influence getting new channels.

VM may well be on the right track and time will tell but they have not come out of this looking very good in my eyes for a leading edge company.... all IMHO of course of which you have the right to disagree

I also stand by my prediction that the £3 charge will start to increase year on year after Tivo is around in numbers so VM can get some of the cash back
but will gladly buy DF, Stephen and other adamant staff members a nights full of beer drinking if i am wrong in 2015