VM Tv Transponders

[TheDon]

Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

i highly doubt that you got on demand

They were able to tune into the on demand streams that others were accessing. This is entirely possible as they're unencrypted. You can't control what's being watched, or control the stream yourself, but it's perfectly possible to tune into an on demand stream that someone else has requested.

[bison1947]

Very interesting Posts.
First of all i am a Satallite user but having just moved house
i have not had time to setup my 1.2 meter motorised Sat dish.
I view Tv through my pc using both a DVB-S & a DVB-C pci cards.
Hence all i wanted is to watch a few channels till i get my Sat dish up.
I do not want to watch VM scrambled channels - I do not want to watch
freeview channels.
I do not want to steal from VM i do not want to hack N3 ( impossible anyway )
The card i am using is quite legal (not a box i bought down the pub).
Hence i am not a thief or a scally looking for something for nowt.
but if some of you think that watching BBc news & a few other fta channels
is breaking the law GOD HELP US ALL.
For those interested

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k7.../Screentv1.jpg

[Pauls9]

You describe these channels as free to air, which they are. However, you want to receive them via Virgin Media's cable system, where they are not free. Who do you think pays for and maintains all the equipment that carries these signals?

If you want to view free to air channels for nothing, put up an aerial or a satellite dish.

[robbo71]

Originally Posted by Pauls9

You describe these channels as free to air, which they are. However, you want to receive them via Virgin Media's cable system, where they are not free. Who do you think pays for and maintains all the equipment that carries these signals?

If you want to view free to air channels for nothing, put up an aerial or a satellite dish.

Obviously you didn't actually read the OPs post just before yours properly. It is a stop gap until he gets his gear sorted.

And since- The feed is live, the channels are unscrambled,and it is not illegal, no harm is being done.

And in VM don't like it, they need keep up with the job of disconnecting unsubscribed feeds.

[mersey70]

Originally Posted by bison1947

Very interesting Posts.
First of all i am a Satallite user but having just moved house
i have not had time to setup my 1.2 meter motorised Sat dish.
I view Tv through my pc using both a DVB-S & a DVB-C pci cards.
Hence all i wanted is to watch a few channels till i get my Sat dish up.
I do not want to watch VM scrambled channels - I do not want to watch
freeview channels.
I do not want to steal from VM i do not want to hack N3 ( impossible anyway )
The card i am using is quite legal (not a box i bought down the pub).
Hence i am not a thief or a scally looking for something for nowt.
but if some of you think that watching BBc news & a few other fta channels
is breaking the law GOD HELP US ALL.
For those interested

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k7.../Screentv1.jpg

I totally understand where you are coming from, it's clear you do not intend to obtain pay services on the sly, as you quite rightly say you cannot do that anyway with the set up you have.

However Virgin Media's terms and conditions state:-

You may not use any reception equipment to receive the television services other than the equipment we have provided to you for the express purpose of receiving the television services (such as a set-top box).

I think that's all some people are saying but perhaps there's a nicer way of saying it. I am a paying customer and as I have openly said used the cable tuner in my TV to see if any new services are testing. I have no intention whatsoever to steal anything (i'm paying anyway) but to the letter of the law (well the terms and conditions) even I shouldn't really directly connect my TV to the network.

My understanding is it isn't illegal but is against VM's terms and conditions, maybe it's because you could affect the network for paying customers as it's not approved kit, I know that's unlikely but there you go. It's really upto you what you decide to do but I would guess there are probably other sites you are more likely to get the answer you are looking for. I honestly don't know the answer anyway as my TV has autotune and I am not on the Liverpool network even though I am only in Wirral. Liverpool is an ex-Telewest area and Wirral is an ex-CWC area. They might use the same frequencies, then again they might not.

I hope that helps, well sort of

[the-cable-guy]

Originally Posted by TheDon

They were able to tune into the on demand streams that others were accessing. This is entirely possible as they're unencrypted. You can't control what's being watched, or control the stream yourself, but it's perfectly possible to tune into an on demand stream that someone else has requested.

i can insure you that on demand is encrypted

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Originally Posted by Pauls9

You describe these channels as free to air, which they are. However, you want to receive them via Virgin Media's cable system, where they are not free. Who do you think pays for and maintains all the equipment that carries these signals?

If you want to view free to air channels for nothing, put up an aerial or a satellite dish.

i agree plus if you look at the pic that the op has posted it shows CNBC in the channel list, which while CNBC was FTA on analogue cable it isint on digital & if hes actually watching CNBC & the like then that is indeed illegal. it may just be showing up but he cant actually watch it either way using equipment that VM havent supplied to you brakes their T&C so whether its illegal or not is besides the point really you shouldnt be using what you are anyways

[dsmuk]

Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

i highly doubt that you got on demand

Oh no, someone on the Internet doesn't believe me... what shall I do

However, just for your information it was Eastenders and the TV show One Born every minute on Channel 4.

[the-cable-guy]

lol doesnt really matter what it was tbh, on demand is encrypted & copy protected

[TheDon]

Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

i can insure you that on demand is encrypted

Unless things have changed drastically in the past couple of months that's not the case.

Btw I don't "thinks that its ok to illegally watch on demand". There's a huge difference between pointing out what's possible, and what should be done. Please find any one of my posts that supports people illegally accessing content.

[moowow!]

If Virgin Media leave you connected and the cable is in your house, how is it illegal to connect your tv, and view what comes thought that cable? your not hacking any boxes?

Its the same as accessing a wireless network if its not got a password as long as your not doing any hacking surly there is nothing wrong?

[the-cable-guy]

Originally Posted by TheDon

Unless things have changed drastically in the past couple of months that's not the case.

Btw I don't "thinks that its ok to illegally watch on demand". There's a huge difference between pointing out what's possible, and what should be done. Please find any one of my posts that supports people illegally accessing content.

you are telling people that it can be done when it cant & by doing so you are encouraging people to try it

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Originally Posted by moowow!

If Virgin Media leave you connected and the cable is in your house, how is it illegal to connect your tv, and view what comes thought that cable? your not hacking any boxes?

Its the same as accessing a wireless network if its not got a password as long as your not doing any hacking surly there is nothing wrong?

no one said that its illegal to get FTA channels from VM what was said was that it brakes their T&C when you use equipment that they havent supplied

[TheDon]

Originally Posted by moowow!

If Virgin Media leave you connected and the cable is in your house, how is it illegal to connect your tv, and view what comes thought that cable? your not hacking any boxes?

Its the same as accessing a wireless network if its not got a password as long as your not doing any hacking surly there is nothing wrong?

If you have a contract with VM then using it is breach of contract as the terms state only VM supplied equipment can be attached.
If you don't have a contract with VM, then technically there's nothing illegal about it as long as it's not decrypting anything.

Accessing an unprotected wireless network would fall under the computer misuse act as it's unauthorised access, it doesn't matter if it's open or not as far as the law is concerned.

Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

you are telling people that it can be done when it cant & by doing so you are encouraging people to try it

So if I say that windows are fragile and you can break them with a hammer am I encouraging people to break into houses?

[mersey70]

Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

i can insure you that on demand is encrypted

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i agree plus if you look at the pic that the op has posted it shows CNBC in the channel list, which while CNBC was FTA on analogue cable it isint on digital & if hes actually watching CNBC & the like then that is indeed illegal. it may just be showing up but he cant actually watch it either way using equipment that VM havent supplied to you brakes their T&C so whether its illegal or not is besides the point really you shouldnt be using what you are anyways

For the record CNBC is not encrypted on VM or indeed Sky either. VM stopped scrambling it when Sky did.

Take you card out and see, nevertheless I agree that the T&C's state unofficial equipment shouldn't be used to view it.

[the-cable-guy]

Originally Posted by mersey70

For the record CNBC is not encrypted on VM or indeed Sky either. VM stopped scrambling it when Sky did.

Take you card out and see, nevertheless I agree that the T&C's state unofficial equipment shouldn't be used to view it.

ok i accept that it maybe FTA in your are however iv just checked & i cant get it when i remove the viewing card

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Originally Posted by TheDon

If you have a contract with VM then using it is breach of contract as the terms state only VM supplied equipment can be attached.
If you don't have a contract with VM, then technically there's nothing illegal about it as long as it's not decrypting anything.

Accessing an unprotected wireless network would fall under the computer misuse act as it's unauthorised access, it doesn't matter if it's open or not as far as the law is concerned.



So if I say that windows are fragile and you can break them with a hammer am I encouraging people to break into houses?

yes

[mersey70]

Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

ok i accept that it maybe FTA in your are however iv just checked & i cant get it when i remove the viewing card

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yes

Strange as it's been reported as FTA in all manner of different locations.