VM Tv Transponders - Page 4

WillPS · 06-03-2011, 21:50

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Originally Posted by Hugh

But there are no Virgin FTA channels.....

and it's not the wire the OP wants, but the channels (content, not communication channel....).

Then that's the answer, no need for any accusations!

moowow! · 06-03-2011, 21:51

These are unique codes that link to the card, so if a game was being streamed online for example, sky could trace it back to whos card it was

muppetman11 · 06-03-2011, 21:57

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Originally Posted by moowow!

These are unique codes that link to the card, so if a game was being streamed online for example, sky could trace it back to whos card it was

Could you please refrain from using this word on here LOL

mersey70 · 06-03-2011, 22:05

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Originally Posted by moowow!

These are unique codes that link to the card, so if a game was being streamed online for example, sky could trace it back to whos card it was

I see, that makes sense.

Do VM do it too, I cannot say I have noticed but I don't always have Sky Sports you see.

moowow! · 06-03-2011, 22:11

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Originally Posted by mersey70

I see, that makes sense.

Do VM do it too, I cannot say I have noticed but I don't always have Sky Sports you see.

dont think so, sky use the sky box to make the code like a press red image kinda of thing, so im pretty sure they wouldn't be able to that with a virgin box

mersey70 · 06-03-2011, 22:22

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Originally Posted by moowow!

dont think so, sky use the sky box to make the code like a press red image kinda of thing, so im pretty sure they wouldn't be able to that with a virgin box

You would think Sky would make VM do it too (within their own technology structure) wouldn't you as there are potentially millions of people who could get away with it using a cable feed of Sky Sports.

I have never understood why people do it anyway, maybe they are frustrated wannabe channel operators!

robbo71 · 06-03-2011, 22:22

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Originally Posted by Hugh

But there are no Virgin FTA channels.....

and it's not the wire the OP wants, but the channels (content, not communication channel....).

It is already been established that there are DVB-C channels that are not scrambled being sent to homes, so yes, by the generally understood UK definition of FTA,there are FTA channels.

Also, perhaps I'm missing the relevance of Sky showing codes on the screen during football matches, but these would be aimed I believe at those trying to use domestic subs in public premises (pubs/clubs), whereby a Sky spy would get the card disabled. Sky Italia certainly were doing this successfully.

Since only Sky can officially supply the pubs, Virgin would have no need for this. Though they have put up channels that only illegal boxes would find, with a message aiming to scare the dimmest of cable pirates into paying for their services.

mersey70 · 06-03-2011, 22:26

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Originally Posted by robbo71

It is already been established that there are DVB-C channels that are not scrambled being sent to homes, so yes, by the generally understood UK definition of FTA,there are FTA channels.

Also, perhaps I'm missing the relevance of Sky showing codes on the screen during football matches, but these would be aimed I believe at those trying to use domestic subs in public premises (pubs/clubs), whereby a Sky spy would get the card disabled. Sky Italia certainly were doing this successfully.

Since only Sky can officially supply the pubs, Virgin would have no need for this. Though they have put up channels that only illegal boxes would find, with a message aiming to scare the dimmest of cable pirates into paying for their services.

It could be for the reason you say, using a domestic subsciption in a pub but don't the pub channels have a little pint glass on screen that changes colour and position? I have seen match reports on ITV/BBC News that have both the pint glass and the code on screen too.

But also the streaming reason seems very plausible too.

robbo71 · 06-03-2011, 22:32

Yes, the pubs have a Pint glass, and would obviously help identify a legitimate commercial subscriber, but for the ones that are not, the numbers on screen would make it very easy to identify the culprit domestic card, and get it disabled.

mersey70 · 06-03-2011, 22:36

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Originally Posted by robbo71

Yes, the pubs have a Pint glass, and would obviously help identify a legitimate commercial subscriber, but for the ones that are not, the numbers on screen would make it very easy to identify the culprit domestic card, and get it disabled.

They have a wine glass on Sky Italia, they are much more sophisticated than us!

muppetman11 · 06-03-2011, 22:40

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Originally Posted by mersey70

they have a wine glass on sky italia, they are much more sophisticated than us!

lol :d

Sirius · 06-03-2011, 22:40

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Originally Posted by robbo71

Also, perhaps I'm missing the relevance of Sky showing codes on the screen during football matches,

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Well think of this. Lets say VM can do this with the card number, All they have to do is buy a card sharing box, Set it up and then flick the switch at the head end to show the card number or numbers. When they have the card number's that are being used by the sharing server they can turn them off. This would be the same process Sky use i think.

robbo71 · 06-03-2011, 22:46

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Well think of this. Lets say VM can do this with the card number, All they have to do is buy a card sharing box, Set it up and then flick the switch at the head end to show the card number or numbers. When they have the card number's that are being used by the sharing server they can turn them off. This would be the same process Sky use i think.

For Sky boxes this is easy, as the Sky box that is being used puts the numbers onto the screen locally (i.e the card number of the card within the box is pasted up). But with unofficial satellite receivers, the numbers do not appear. Thus VM would not be able to do it, because unofficial receivers are being used to view the channels, and even if offiicial receivers were used at the upload servers, no-one is ever going to see them.

mersey70 · 06-03-2011, 22:50

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Well think of this. Lets say VM can do this with the card number, All they have to do is buy a card sharing box, Set it up and then flick the switch at the head end to show the card number or numbers. When they have the card number's that are being used by the sharing server they can turn them off. This would be the same process Sky use i think.

I would be surprised if Nagra would not have something in place like you say, it sounds so simple dosen't it but would be highly effective I bet.

robbo71 · 06-03-2011, 23:05

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Originally Posted by mersey70

I would be surprised if Nagra would not have something in place like you say, it sounds so simple dosen't it but would be highly effective I bet.

But at the headend you would only know that lots of cards are being used and not which ones are being shared, so the card numbers could not be added to the video there, it can only be done at the box that has the card in it.