Football Season 2010/2011

[ChrisLUFC22]

Originally Posted by yesman

But why do you hate ManU?

I am a United fan, but I don't hate Arsenal, in fact I don't hate any team. It would be interesting to hear your reasons.

Also, It is good to see you call them ManU for a change

Well said. I don't hate any team, not even the green eyed monsters from where I live
Rather than hate them, I actually look out for all Yorkshire teams and like to see them do well.
Although, I have to add, Arsenal fans are particularly getting on my nerves at the moment, except you Damien! One of the few that talks sense (or seems to )

Originally Posted by ChrisLUFC22

Well said. I don't hate any team, not even the green eyed monsters from where I live
Rather than hate them, I actually look out for all Yorkshire teams and like to see them do well.
Although, I have to add, Arsenal fans are particularly getting on my nerves at the moment, except you Damien! One of the few that talks sense (or seems to )

Arsenal fans rock innit.

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Originally Posted by yesman

But why do you hate ManU?

I am a United fan, but I don't hate Arsenal, in fact I don't hate any team. It would be interesting to hear your reasons.

Also, It is good to see you call them ManU for a change

I think it doesn't mean he literally hates, as in seethes with rage, them. Just enjoys seeming them between and is annoyed by them.

[ChrisLUFC22]

Originally Posted by Damien

Arsenal fans rock innit. [COLOR="Silver"]

Trust me, the one's I work with are....
Well, put it this way, I can't think of a word that will get round the swear filter

[DocDutch]

okay Yesman.. hate is a bit too strong a word but cant stand them is that better?

main reasons... hmm where to start really, dont like the cockiness of the supporters for 1 especially those around london areas, the way that in the past they just threw money at clubs for their star players (see Rooney, Rio, Berbatov, and some others that I cant remember the names off) and just the arrogance sometimes of the players themselves and what they get away with most of the time.

Oh biggest dislike goes to Fergie for how he has treated his at the time stars and all of a sudden ditches them, for examples see Roy Keane, Jaap Stam, Ruud van Nistelrooy, David Beckham and Christiano "crybaby" Ronaldo

[sherer]

Originally Posted by DocDutch

okay Yesman.. hate is a bit too strong a word but cant stand them is that better?

main reasons... hmm where to start really, dont like the cockiness of the supporters for 1 especially those around london areas, the way that in the past they just threw money at clubs for their star players (see Rooney, Rio, Berbatov, and some others that I cant remember the names off) and just the arrogance sometimes of the players themselves and what they get away with most of the time.

Oh biggest dislike goes to Fergie for how he has treated his at the time stars and all of a sudden ditches them, for examples see Roy Keane, Jaap Stam, Ruud van Nistelrooy, David Beckham and Christiano "crybaby" Ronaldo

Ronaldo was sold because he was always going to go to Spain at some point and so it was either cash in or get nothing. Make no mistakes £80m will make anyone sit up and take notice.

Roy was getting old and not much use to the team. Ruud didn't fit into the team plans and style of football going forwards but I always rated him and wished he had stayed longer.

Beckham and Stam both could have stayed longer than they did

[nffc]

Originally Posted by sherer

Ronaldo was sold because he was always going to go to Spain at some point and so it was either cash in or get nothing. Make no mistakes £80m will make anyone sit up and take notice.

Roy was getting old and not much use to the team. Ruud didn't fit into the team plans and style of football going forwards but I always rated him and wished he had stayed longer.

Beckham and Stam both could have stayed longer than they did

The thing is - and I will admit to freely being a Utd hater - that Ferguson is such a good manager because even in this era, he still maintains the traditional values of building a team, running a club from the ground up, and subordinating his superstars to the ethos of the team and club as a whole.

Ferguson knows precisely what the club employees - especially the playing staff - are capable of because he has been there almost 25 years and requires the level of control to have the influence where it matters. He knows precisely what his fringe players are capable of and whether or not they are ready for the team or need loaning out or dispensing with. How many players has he released who have played for as big a club? Pretty much none. He knows what is good enough and keeps players whilst they are useful and releases them before the wider world realises they are not.

Admittedly maybe he could have got a few more years out of Beckham and Stam but I daresay he got rid of both for non-footballing reasons anyway. As I said, in his ethos no player is bigger than the team and Beckham had become a media circus attached to a footballer and this would disrupt the team if the attention was focused on a player more for his off-field antics than on it; not to mention there had been disputes between the two and in these cases only the manager should win. As for Stam, I happen to think a certain biography was the nail - you don't undermine your employers.

The rest were sold because the price was right and they were waning anyway. Chelsea have kept with their aging stars and it will affect their resale and possibility of using any resale to fund the squad. Arsenal do the same as Utd, look at Vieira, Henry, Petit etc after leaving and yeah, the clubs they have gone to have got maybe a few years out of them and that's all but they never were as good. Part of that is also Wenger's genius as a man manager, and he deals the same hands as Ferguson, only with a completely different character - look at how Anelka was dispatched - in that he runs the club and has done for a long time and builds teams based on bringing players through as well as signing them.

Chelsea bought a team and this season the result of doing so has been cruelly exposed. Man City are about to make the same mistake.

United have been brought right back into the title race here. Arsenal better win at the weekend, then we'll be one point behind United with the same number of games played before their trip to Anfield.

[Matty_]

What is it with English/UK born top premiership footballers that makes them think they are so much better than the rest and means they cannot behave in an ordinary cival manner.
Recently we have had "incidents" involving people such as John Terry with his gambling and shady deals going on at the training ground. Ashely Cole with his threesomes, taking a gun into training and shooting a young lad.
Wayne Rooney bagging prostitutes, smoking, ****ing up walls and generally being uncouth. Joey Barton and his continuing sagas, allegations (possibly unfounded) about Steven Gerrard, etc, etc, etc!
When ever you watch a premier league game you see players effing and blinding at the ref constantly. Barging into each other then falling to the floor like Mike Tyson just gave them a right hook.
I used to enjoy watching football on telly (have even been to few games this season) but i am getting more and more disillusioned with the game the more i see stunts like Rooney after scoring standing there arms outstretched with his chest puffed out as if he`s the messiah.
Will anything ever be done to combat this mentality? I very much doubt it, the modern footballer just isn`t brought into the game with the same ethos and values as say a rugby union player. Would they even consider things like swearing at an official an offence which would be punished by a yellow card and free-kick to the opponents. Maybe something similar to the 10 Meter rule in RU.
This is obviously not the case for all players but it does seem the majority have very little respect for opposing players or officials and even less for the fans even of their own team. Personally i think modern football has become a bit of a disgrace and really needs to clean up it`s act

Rant over (feel better now)

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by Matty_

Will anything ever be done to combat this mentality? I very much doubt it, the modern footballer just isn`t brought into the game with the same ethos and values as say a rugby union player. Would they even consider things like swearing at an official an offence which would be punished by a yellow card and free-kick to the opponents. Maybe something similar to the 10 Meter rule in RU.

Actually abusive or offensive language towards an offical is a sending off offence.

I don't think its anything to do with ethos and values its down to the simple fact that rugby refs will enforce the law and football refs don't/won't.

[Matty_]

Originally Posted by gazzae

I don't think its anything to do with ethos and values its down to the simple fact that rugby refs will enforce the law and football refs don't/won't.

Respectfully disagree, when listening to some of the recent Rugby you could actually hear some of the players calling the ref Sir and asking if things were OK. Also the attitude towards opposing players seems genuine. They may have just crunched into someone with a tackle but they seem genuinely concerned when a player is down injured.
With football you get the feeling that any sympathy is just lip service partly because they don`t know if the other player is faking it or not!

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Matty_

Respectfully disagree, when listening to some of the recent Rugby you could actually hear some of the players calling the ref Sir and asking if things were OK. Also the attitude towards opposing players seems genuine. They may have just crunched into someone with a tackle but they seem genuinely concerned when a player is down injured.
With football you get the feeling that any sympathy is just lip service partly because they don`t know if the other player is faking it or not!

The same applies to a lot of the fans. I find the tribalism displayed by many football fans just as off-putting as the behaviour of the players on the pitch.

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by Matty_

Respectfully disagree, when listening to some of the recent Rugby you could actually hear some of the players calling the ref Sir and asking if things were OK. Also the attitude towards opposing players seems genuine. They may have just crunched into someone with a tackle but they seem genuinely concerned when a player is down injured.
With football you get the feeling that any sympathy is just lip service partly because they don`t know if the other player is faking it or not!

It's like being at school. With some teachers people mucked about in their class as they didn't enforce the rules, other teachers you wouldn't dare mess with as they took no crap.

I don't know why football refs don't send off players who use abusive language to them but until they start it isn't going to stop

[Shadow Demon UK]

Did anyone else see the end of the Cetlic v Rangers game? I think they realise the football they play isn't entertaining so create the entertainment by fighting and getting sent off. Lennon and McCoist shook hands and hugged at the end of the game and then suddenly started shouting at each other and had to be broken up before they started throwing punches. Crazy

[DocDutch]

problem with the scottish league is that its to small and not much of a challenge can you name a team other then celtic or rangers that have won the league in the last 10 years.

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

Did anyone else see the end of the Cetlic v Rangers game? I think they realise the football they play isn't entertaining so create the entertainment by fighting and getting sent off. Lennon and McCoist shook hands and hugged at the end of the game and then suddenly started shouting at each other and had to be broken up before they started throwing punches. Crazy

Pretty pathetic really. The amount of Old Firm games there are each season, as well as the continued decline of the league, has turned people away from the SPL even more. The continued petulance displayed by both sides is also wearing thin, nobody outside Glasgow cares anymore.

People wonder how the Old Firm teams would do in the Premier League, you look at the players and the games and you don't even seem them challenging for mid-table. Although the Premier League money + fanbase would mean they could rectify that if they managed to stay in it for 5 or so years.