Goverments Attack on the Disabled?

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by PeteLockwood

You claim disability for being blind yet you can type on a god damn computer!

typical benefit culture

typical someonme who doesnt udnerstand?

I wont comment on anyone's circumstances on here, but blind people can use computers, and been able to use a computer on a forum doesnt mean you can use one for work purposes. Life is more complicated then that

re: your comment on not wanting the dole if disabled, how do you know others dont feel like this but claim it as only way to survive?

Originally Posted by PeteLockwood

You claim disability for being blind yet you can type on a god damn computer!

Lack of sight is not a show stopper for using a computer, it just makes it a bit harder.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by PeteLockwood

you live on disability ? for being blind ? havee you (if you ever had) your driving license taken away from you ? how are you able to see your home computer screen and are not able to see one in the workplace ?

You have been on this forum since May 2010 and you have failed dismally to see any of Dilli's posts regarding his work station or his visits to the hospital over his sight and one of his most recent post stated that he had been accepted on the Dogs for the blind scheme.

I think that it is brilliant that he continues to lead a productive life and has not let his disability hold him back.

A Disability is not a reason to hold yourself back in the shadows as that is what people expected you to do in the past, think positive and you can be a better person.

[Chrysalis]

Why do people think helping the disabled with benefits is the same as telling them to not work? Its a weird way of thinking that if offering benefits is telling them to not work and removing benefits is helping them, that is a really strange one

Unfortenatly there is many people like petelockwood who think if someone can use a computer at home for a few minutes (with unknown aids) they suddenly fit to use one in the workplace, and if they see someone walking out the front door it must mean they fiddling benefits.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Why do people think helping the disabled with benefits is the same as telling them to not work? Its a weird way of thinking that if offering benefits is telling them to not work and removing benefits is helping them, that is a really strange one

Unfortenatly there is many people like petelockwood who think if someone can use a computer at home for a few minutes (with unknown aids) they suddenly fit to use one in the workplace, and if they see someone walking out the front door it must mean they fiddling benefits.

Plus the sheer ignorance of not actually conversing with said people in wheelchairs/wearing deaf aids/carrying a white stick or using a guide dog and discovering what their circumstances actually are and what their employment history is.

I know because I talk to these people and some are friends and family.I know that certain conditions such as diabetes can lead to sight and mobility issues as the condition advances.Indeed my sister is registered as being incapacitated due to a heart problem.

Then there are those like my nephew for whom their incapacity is not apparent at first sight because it is a mental one. Yes the one everyone thinks is easy to fake and don't hesitate to say so.My nephew has such low self esteem that he cannot function in any workplace and wants desperately to be part of society on the same terms as the rest of his mentally fit peers.

While it is easy to mock Pete and have a go are we dealing here with complete ignorance of an issue where a little education might be better then buckets of scorn. Pete this week for me so far monday i wake up at 05:30 severe pain right knee i hobble downstairs make myself a coffee and sit for a couple of hours till the pain wears off had it many times before and it's a pain nothing seems to impact not the morphine i take or any of the other meds i am on weird pain in that regard.

I then spend that day tired, snappy towards those around me because i am tired and in pain i spend everyday in some degree of pain until mid afternoon when i can feel the damp in the air increase mainly because i get significantly stiffer and the pain i was already in increases as well evening is not fun for me. Tuesday i didn't sllep too well through the night but maybe caught 3-4 hours of naps between periods of discomfort i wake up stiff and in pain again i can walk a bit better and despite what to most is not a lot of sleep it's ok for me i have gotten used to it so am in a relatively good mood.

Morning is relatively ok pain isn't too bad but then i am not moving around much afternoon it starts to rain stiffness increases pain increases starting to get uncomfortable (when i say uncomfortable Pete i mean by my standards which is years of having high degree's of pain that i have now by and large gotten used too not the usual definition) and movement even in small amounts is now pain inducing on a nasty scale.

I woke up this morning after little sleep and my right arm hurts like hell my hips feel like they are on fire and i have a headache more like a migraine then anything i can describe which probably means my spine has stretched and my spinal cord is straining that will die down more or less in a few hours but till then i am not a happy person or a person anyone wants to be round.

Now here's the thing Pete on my best day i can walk maybe 50 metres before i start feeling severe pain which increases the further i go, where i live i am approx 325 metres from the town centre and i sometimes will walk with my wife to get out of the house and pay for it for the next three to four days in terms of not being able to walk much at all. Nearest industrial area with a decent chance of a job to me is approx 550 metres away so i am pretty sure i can make it there and back but for only one day a week and if weather is bad or i am having a bad day being honest and much as i hate it i don't think i could even make it there before the pain was too much.

It isn't a lack of will to work it is the fact i am disabled my condition is incurable and will only get worse as i get older i am in employment terms unreliable and easy as that is to type it is still extremely hard for me personally to accept that. I am ex force's as well before i was injured and my condition was allowed to take hold i used to walk 15-20 miles a day for fun i loved walking but not anymore.

My case is more widespread then i think you realise and affects many many people most of whom each and everyday in casual encounters with strangers will bust a gut to hide the true extent of how bad life can be only those closest to them truly know. It's an act we learn to put on to try and retain some pride and dignity and sometimes the act becomes so ingrained even when we meet people like the wonderful moron's from atos we don't let the act slip as we should.

I don't actually blame you for your attitude Pete being honest it's the attitude a whole lot of powerful people want more and more in this country to have and you may well be part of a much larger group in the UK then some on here realise. What is really ironic of course is that in having the attitude you have to people like me and dili (who i do not know well on this forum but am aware of his condition and what he has done to make the best of it and have a lot of respect for him) you are the cause of the problem your complaining about because if you were to meet me in a job interview you would put that attitude onto me and apply it to me and not employ me.

Thats what some want they want a scapegoat too vulnerable to be able to oppose them but easy enough to lay all the blame for society's ills and the only thing stopping that happening is that by and large we in the UK are fair and we are tolerent and believe that we should look after those who for whatever reason beyond their control are unable to fully look after themselves that is a priceless attitude and it's a fantastic one that we shouldn't let anyone take from us.

Sorry for the long post folks but lets try this approach and see how we go .

Rizzy, very informative post - thanks for that.

btw, we weren't mocking pete's ignorance, more his attitude (which is informed by his ignorance) - ignorance is nothing to be ashamed of, but it's not something to be proud of, either.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Rizzy, very informative post - thanks for that.

btw, we weren't mocking pete's ignorance, more his attitude (which is informed by his ignorance) - ignorance is nothing to be ashamed of, but it's not something to be proud of, either.

I am with Hugh on this as ignorance of how disability can affect people is a sorry state of affairs in this day and age.

There is also the fact that some people hug their ignorance to themselves and delight in it, when to actually find out the truth is actually a very easy step to take BUT they prefer the notions and opinions they have already formed about another group of people and so just don't bother.

In other words before you place your opinions in a public forum as fact, do some research first.If you don't then you are in danger of being labelled ignorant.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

There is also the fact that some people hug their ignorance to themselves and delight in it, when to actually find out the truth is actually a very easy step to take BUT they prefer the notions and opinions they have already formed about another group of people and so just don't bother.

In other words before you place your opinions in a public forum as fact, do some research first.If you don't then you are in danger of being labelled ignorant.

And like the government assessors their opinions are as crude and ill informed.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

While it is easy to mock Pete and have a go are we dealing here with complete ignorance of an issue where a little education might be better then buckets of scorn. Pete this week for me so far monday i wake up at 05:30 severe pain right knee i hobble downstairs make myself a coffee and sit for a couple of hours till the pain wears off had it many times before and it's a pain nothing seems to impact not the morphine i take or any of the other meds i am on weird pain in that regard.

I then spend that day tired, snappy towards those around me because i am tired and in pain i spend everyday in some degree of pain until mid afternoon when i can feel the damp in the air increase mainly because i get significantly stiffer and the pain i was already in increases as well evening is not fun for me. Tuesday i didn't sllep too well through the night but maybe caught 3-4 hours of naps between periods of discomfort i wake up stiff and in pain again i can walk a bit better and despite what to most is not a lot of sleep it's ok for me i have gotten used to it so am in a relatively good mood.

Morning is relatively ok pain isn't too bad but then i am not moving around much afternoon it starts to rain stiffness increases pain increases starting to get uncomfortable (when i say uncomfortable Pete i mean by my standards which is years of having high degree's of pain that i have now by and large gotten used too not the usual definition) and movement even in small amounts is now pain inducing on a nasty scale.

I woke up this morning after little sleep and my right arm hurts like hell my hips feel like they are on fire and i have a headache more like a migraine then anything i can describe which probably means my spine has stretched and my spinal cord is straining that will die down more or less in a few hours but till then i am not a happy person or a person anyone wants to be round.

Now here's the thing Pete on my best day i can walk maybe 50 metres before i start feeling severe pain which increases the further i go, where i live i am approx 325 metres from the town centre and i sometimes will walk with my wife to get out of the house and pay for it for the next three to four days in terms of not being able to walk much at all. Nearest industrial area with a decent chance of a job to me is approx 550 metres away so i am pretty sure i can make it there and back but for only one day a week and if weather is bad or i am having a bad day being honest and much as i hate it i don't think i could even make it there before the pain was too much.

It isn't a lack of will to work it is the fact i am disabled my condition is incurable and will only get worse as i get older i am in employment terms unreliable and easy as that is to type it is still extremely hard for me personally to accept that. I am ex force's as well before i was injured and my condition was allowed to take hold i used to walk 15-20 miles a day for fun i loved walking but not anymore.

My case is more widespread then i think you realise and affects many many people most of whom each and everyday in casual encounters with strangers will bust a gut to hide the true extent of how bad life can be only those closest to them truly know. It's an act we learn to put on to try and retain some pride and dignity and sometimes the act becomes so ingrained even when we meet people like the wonderful moron's from atos we don't let the act slip as we should.

I don't actually blame you for your attitude Pete being honest it's the attitude a whole lot of powerful people want more and more in this country to have and you may well be part of a much larger group in the UK then some on here realise. What is really ironic of course is that in having the attitude you have to people like me and dili (who i do not know well on this forum but am aware of his condition and what he has done to make the best of it and have a lot of respect for him) you are the cause of the problem your complaining about because if you were to meet me in a job interview you would put that attitude onto me and apply it to me and not employ me.

Thats what some want they want a scapegoat too vulnerable to be able to oppose them but easy enough to lay all the blame for society's ills and the only thing stopping that happening is that by and large we in the UK are fair and we are tolerent and believe that we should look after those who for whatever reason beyond their control are unable to fully look after themselves that is a priceless attitude and it's a fantastic one that we shouldn't let anyone take from us.

Sorry for the long post folks but lets try this approach and see how we go .

Great post.

Yes, our lad appears fit and healthy at first glance but he isn't and when he's out and about and struck down with a seizure our only option is to call an ambulance. We don't have a blue badge, we can't carry him and his emergency medication knocks him out for ages so there's no other choice. Of course it's easy for those who like to judge others on appearances to get it wrong and take a harsh view but the answer to that is for people to just consider the possibility that what's wrong isn't always apparent. They don't know he can't read or write and can hardly speak. We've been the on the receiving end of many a disparaging comment over the years and I don't suppose it'll get easier now our lad's started to sprout facial hair and, for some, starts to take on all the outward signs of a typical, benefit scrounging, young layabout....

Having said that, those who abuse the system really ought to be ashamed of themselves for making the plight of those already suffering even worse!