How to make a tax payer weep

21-02-2011, 17:00

As some of the CF members may know i work for local authorities fitting doors and windows for council house refurbishments ,as you can imagine i come accross some pretty scummy people but today i was fitting in a house in Newcastle were a 19yr old girl was visiting her sister to use the laptop for facebook .She struck up conversation by talking about her "terrible" life because the social had stopped her money because she hadn't been looking for a job ,and now only gets enough to support her 2yr child who is in daycare/preschool or whatever .I replied that "yes the government are cracking down now so you will have to get a job" she replied "nah ,i knew they would stop it so i got pregnant again now they will have to give me my dole back,i'll have about 4 bairns by the time i'm 25"

I think Cameron et al have their work cut out for them changing attitudes like that ,it makes me feel like giving up now and just not bothering

Gary L · 21-02-2011, 17:03

Didn't you hit her?

That's been going on for as long as always. getting pregnant to get an house, and all the extras.

21-02-2011, 17:17

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Didn't you hit her?

That's been going on for as long as always. getting pregnant to get an house, and all the extras.

Felt like it

I know it's been going on forever ,but i was under the impression that this and past governments had been clamping down to put a stop to it .It's obviously a tougher problem than the governments that have tried to tackle it care to admit because they are trying to reconcile making sure that young children don't suffer and older children ,like her ,don't take advantage of the system

DocDutch · 21-02-2011, 17:41

problem is that in that family they'll never get out of that life style. And biggest problem for us the taxpayer is that it'll continue to happen

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oh i do wonder if the kids know their fathers at all or even if she knows

vanman · 21-02-2011, 17:53

sorry martyh but are you allowed to say anything about the people in the house's that you work on
watch your back some one from this fourm sent my employer an email to get me into trouble but he put it in the bin after he had told me who and were it was from.

read from
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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/22/33647689-moans-and-pet-hates-part-6-a-page-121.html

21-02-2011, 18:05

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Originally Posted by vanman

sorry martyh but are you allowed to say anything about the people in the house's that you work on
watch your back some one from this fourm sent my employer an email to get me into trouble but he put it in the bin after he had told me who and were it was from.

read from
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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/22...-page-121.html

don't see why not ,reading those posts i think someone was being a bit overzealous

.All i have done is stated a true life experience that realy peed me off and i'm sure will pee alot of other people off

vanman · 21-02-2011, 18:06

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Originally Posted by martyh

don't see why not ,reading those posts i think someone was being a bit overzealous

.All i have done is stated a true life experience that realy peed me off and i'm sure will pee alot of other people off

i agree

Gary L · 21-02-2011, 18:43

I'll have to start another thread really, but I was wondering with all these stopping of benefits for not looking for work now. people will be going without benefits for weeks/months/years.

how we will as a nation be towards these people that in real life will be homeless and hungry. if all goes according to plan the figures could and should be thousands.

thousands that will have had their benefits stopped and on the what was once a 'poverty' status. one where nearly everybody would say we shouldn't let there be poverty in this generation.

what if someone or even a family die as a result of 'benefit sanctions'?
it may and will happen further down the line where this may well happen, and the government has to reverse everything so this doesn't happen again.

maybe?

Pierre · 21-02-2011, 19:00

All he has to do is bring out a law that says you can have benefits and allowances etc for the first child.

Any offspring you produce after that you pay for yourself.

If you can't afford to have children then don't, there's loads of childless couples would gladly take them off your hands.

Gary L · 21-02-2011, 19:05

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Originally Posted by Pierre

All he has to do is bring out a law that says you can have benefits and allowances etc for the first child.

Any offspring you produce after that you pay for yourself.

But that will turn out the same as saying if you have another child. it'll have to starve. and we can't and won't allow that to happen.

We'll give the child food to eat and clothes to wear by way of benefits to their mum.

21-02-2011, 19:13

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Originally Posted by Pierre

All he has to do is bring out a law that says you can have benefits and allowances etc for the first child.

Any offspring you produce after that you pay for yourself.

If you can't afford to have children then don't, there's loads of childless couples would gladly take them off your hands.

but the problem is though how can we as a society do what you said ie benefits for the first child only and then sit back and watch subsequent children suffer ,bear in mind that not all children are planned .It is the attitude i found maddening ,"it's the governments money so it doesn't matter" that is what really has to change unfortunately it is the hardest thing to change

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Originally Posted by Gary L

But that will turn out the same as saying if you have another child. it'll have to starve. and we can't and won't allow that to happen.

We'll give the child food to eat and clothes to wear by way of benefits to their mum.

who then uses it to buy mobile phones and internet access to use facebook

Gary L · 21-02-2011, 19:19

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Originally Posted by martyh

who then uses it to buy mobile phones and internet access to use facebook

I know. but as long as she's got enough left over to buy Chelsee and Kieren some food. everybody's happy

Jimmy-J · 21-02-2011, 19:29

The law states that she must have enough benefits to live on, the law states that if she has more children they will be provided for. Until the law changes in your favour, there's not much you can do about it.

If only the government stopped giving billions of tax payers Â£Â£'s away, in aid to other countries such as India, and instead started investing in this country, then maybe this wouldn't be so much of a problem?

Let's tend to the crumbling foundations of our own home, before trying to prop up someone elses.

Gary L · 21-02-2011, 19:32

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Originally Posted by Product 13

The law states that she must have enough benefits to live on, the law states that if she has more children they will be provided for. Until the law changes in your favour, there's not much you can do about it.

That's a thought. has the law actually changed for the requirement of actively seeking work to receive benefits. and has this overridden the once 'the law states this is the minimum you need to live on' thing?

Jimmy-J · 21-02-2011, 19:35

If she doesn't provide proof of seeking employment, then they can only stop part of her benefit, not all of it. And the children will still be provided for... As far as I know?