TiVo - Page 182

devilincarnate · 18-02-2011, 17:08

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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice

If VM via Tivo Internet/apps can gain access to all film content generally available and in HD, then there would be no point subscribing to Sky Movies unless you absolutelly want to be ther first to see a film in a few cases, an interesting thought!

The main one i want is EPIX HD as it is movies on demand, tv channel and on your pc. They are not outside the US yet but they are working on it here is the website:

http://www.epixhd.com/

And what is EPIX HD

http://corp.epixhd.com/
I can hope.

Perfect Choice · 18-02-2011, 17:11

But if Lovefilm had access to a 4M customer base via VM 10MB port dedicated to this purpose to ensure quality of service, they would be interested in provide HD, with maybe a premium price over current Lovefilm charges?? I see a business opportunity here which would help both parties.

Isn't the opportunity here that VMs Tivo solution opens up a convenient route to streaming HD films to peoples houses?

passingbat · 18-02-2011, 17:26

With Amazon fully ownig lovefilm now, I suspect HD is already in their plans.

Personally, I'd like a subscription model, not a 'pay per movie' model, which I can get now via my Sony blueray player.

Peter_ · 18-02-2011, 17:27

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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice

But if Lovefilm had access to a 4M customer base via VM 10MB port dedicated to this purpose to ensure quality of service, they would be interested in provide HD, with maybe a premium price over current Lovefilm charges?? I see a business opportunity here which would help both parties.

Isn't the opportunity here that VMs Tivo solution opens up a convenient route to streaming HD films to peoples houses?

Have you read this http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35176589-post1.html

pauldavies83 · 18-02-2011, 17:33

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Originally Posted by Stephen

The Â£10 monthly fee had nothing to do with why TiVo didn't take off in the UK. Sky was meant to work with TiVo but screwed them over when it launch Sky+

I disagree. TiVo had a full year headstart on Sky and only sold 35k in it's first 18 months (12 months of those Sky+ wasn't even available, the next 6 months it was limited in availability).

I remember the Sky marketing for TiVo - it did exist. It was on their 999 welcome channel on a continuous loop, and Sky boxes weren't exactly on 24/7 at the time so it was definitely seen. People just didn't want it and no amount of marketing can sell something the public don't want.

When Sky+ came along a year after TiVo it gave people (in general) what they wanted - record and watch something else at the same time (like the VCR they were used to). TiVo was a geek's niche (probably why I had it!)

Digital Fanatic · 18-02-2011, 17:43

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Originally Posted by pauldavies83

I disagree. TiVo had a full year headstart on Sky and only sold 35k in it's first 18 months (12 months of those Sky+ wasn't even available, the next 6 months it was limited in availability).

I remember the Sky marketing for TiVo - it did exist. It was on their 999 welcome channel on a continuous loop, and Sky boxes weren't exactly on 24/7 at the time so it was definitely seen. People just didn't want it and no amount of marketing can sell something the public don't want.

When Sky+ came along a year after TiVo it gave people (in general) what they wanted - record and watch something else at the same time (like the VCR they were used to). TiVo was a geek's niche (probably why I had it!)

Sky were saying that they would bring out an intergrated PVR, at the same time as "promoting" TiVo. Customers just held on till an all in one box was launched.

Sky+ was very pricey when 1st launched.. close on Â£380

muppetman11 · 18-02-2011, 17:43

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Originally Posted by pauldavies83

I disagree. TiVo had a full year headstart on Sky and only sold 35k in it's first 18 months (12 months of those Sky+ wasn't even available, the next 6 months it was limited in availability).

I remember the Sky marketing for TiVo - it did exist. It was on their 999 welcome channel on a continuous loop, and Sky boxes weren't exactly on 24/7 at the time so it was definitely seen. People just didn't want it and no amount of marketing can sell something the public don't want.

When Sky+ came along a year after TiVo it gave people (in general) what they wanted - record and watch something else at the same time (like the VCR they were used to). TiVo was a geek's niche (probably why I had it!)

It still is , us geeks love it but the majority aren't bothered about YouTube and suggestions.

Digital Fanatic · 18-02-2011, 17:45

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

It still is , us geeks love it but the majority aren't bothered about YouTube and suggestions.

50,000+ pre regs dissagree with you.

muppetman11 · 18-02-2011, 17:48

But early adopters like us are geeks. Plus a lot of them won't place orders when they realise they have to pay a monthly sub as well as the upfront cost.

pauldavies83 · 18-02-2011, 17:52

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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

Sky were saying that they would bring out an intergrated PVR, at the same time as "promoting" TiVo. Customers just held on till an all in one box was launched.

Or, people had no idea what a PVR was, and just didn't want TiVo? Enthusiasts read press releases - the general public don't. I don't ever recall anyone saying "don't buy a TiVo coz Sky have a better one coming next year", from the press/Sky or anyone I came into contact with (and I worked in the industry at the time).

I'd be interested to see how many Sky had shifted after their first 18 months to put the myth to bed that Sky completely ruined TiVo in any way other than launching a different product that suited people's needs better.

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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

Sky+ was very pricey when 1st launched.. close on Â£380

TiVo was Â£400 - both pricey products when a VCR could probably be had for less than half the price.

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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

50,000+ pre regs dissagree with you.

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

But early adopters like us are geeks. Plus a lot of them won't place orders when they realise they have to pay a monthly sub as well as the upfront cost.

Exactly!!!

Andy C · 18-02-2011, 18:01

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

Problem is mate Lovefilm streaming doesn't do HD.

You can stream or download bluray movies from LoveFilm to the PS3..

Digital Fanatic · 18-02-2011, 18:02

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Originally Posted by pauldavies83

Or, people had no idea what a PVR was, and just didn't want TiVo? Enthusiasts read press releases - the general public don't. I don't ever recall anyone saying "don't buy a TiVo coz Sky have a better one coming next year", from the press/Sky or anyone I came into contact with (and I worked in the industry at the time).

I'd be interested to see how many Sky had shifted after their first 18 months to put the myth to bed that Sky completely ruined TiVo in any way other than launching a different product that suited people's needs better.

TiVo was Â£400 - both pricey products when a VCR could probably be had for less than half the price.

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Exactly!!!

It's the reason I and a few of my friends didn't buy one... we waited for Sky+, which was good, but a little basic compared to what TiVo could do, but we thought it was going to be the same....

Sky dropped the price to Â£249/Â£279 and thats when I got mine. I wanted the integration too.

muppetman11 · 18-02-2011, 18:02

You cannot stream blu-ray movies from Lovefilm trust me.

Peter_ · 18-02-2011, 18:07

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Originally Posted by pauldavies83

Or, people had no idea what a PVR was, and just didn't want TiVo? Enthusiasts read press releases - the general public don't. I don't ever recall anyone saying "don't buy a TiVo coz Sky have a better one coming next year", from the press/Sky or anyone I came into contact with (and I worked in the industry at the time).

I'd be interested to see how many Sky had shifted after their first 18 months to put the myth to bed that Sky completely ruined TiVo in any way other than launching a different product that suited people's needs better.

TiVo was Â£400 - both pricey products when a VCR could probably be had for less than half the price.

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Exactly!!!

The V+ box used to cost Â£150 just like the TiVo and at present the is around a million in circulation according to this site. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%2B

pauldavies83 · 18-02-2011, 18:10

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Originally Posted by Masque

The V+ box used to cost Â£150 just like the TiVo and at present the is around a million in circulation according to this site. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%2B

What does that prove? That when TiVo has been around as long as V+ there will be around a million of those in circulation?

I don't really see your point.