TiVo

[pauldavies83]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

five letter for you... B S k y B

Yes, they came along with something the public wanted. The majority want what they like, not bells and whistles. TiVo couldn't record whilst watching something else, and Sky+ could.

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

Some how I don't think £3 is a deal breaker for a 1TB recorder with all that TiVo offers, but others may disagree.

Doesn't really respond to the point I made, so I don't see why the quote was needed?

I said I'm not debating the value of the £3 - I'm debating how the upgrade/downgrade path doesn't work for the customer.

[Marcus125]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Seems crazy to charge for EPG and Record features as far as im aware Sky dropped there Sky+ charge some years ago let's not forget the Sky+HD box has a search feature and there internet record and IPad sky+ app recommend shows to you, BT Vision also has no charge for recording features.

They also have a Sky+ app for Android which is fantastic when your stuck in a meeting longer than expected you can set your sky box to record stuff from your phone.

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

if you drop to L or below you have to pay £5 pm for v+ though.

That's why Sly are picking up lots of base customers see the £1.00 a day offer with no charge for recording

http://www.sky.com/shop/bundles-offers/high-definition/

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Originally Posted by Marcus125

They also have a Sky+ app for Android which is fantastic when your stuck in a meeting longer than expected you can set your sky box to record stuff from your phone.

Seen it mate pretty good.

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Originally Posted by pauldavies83

Yes, they came along with something the public wanted. The majority want what they like, not bells and whistles. TiVo couldn't record whilst watching something else, and Sky+ could.



Doesn't really respond to the point I made, so I don't see why the quote was needed?

I said I'm not debating the value of the £3 - I'm debating how the upgrade/downgrade path doesn't work for the customer.

Got to agree with you on this one.

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by pauldavies83

Yes, they came along with something the public wanted. The majority want what they like, not bells and whistles. TiVo couldn't record whilst watching something else, and Sky+ could.



Doesn't really respond to the point I made, so I don't see why the quote was needed?

I said I'm not debating the value of the £3 - I'm debating how the upgrade/downgrade path doesn't work for the customer.

stay on V+ then if you don't want TiVo.

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Originally Posted by muppetman11

That's why Sly are picking up lots of base customers see the £1.00 a day offer with no charge for recording

http://www.sky.com/shop/bundles-offers/high-definition/

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Seen it mate pretty good.

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Got to agree with you on this one.

Still nearly £30 a month though for 1 tv mix

[pauldavies83]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

stay on V+ then if you don't want TiVo.

Again, not what I said or was discussing, but thanks for the advice - I will.

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by pauldavies83

I wasn't debating the value of the sub, but the path to premium is distorted.

If a customer no longer wants this "premium" product (as VM insist it is), they lose the standard functionality that others would have a the "non-premium" level (i.e. the ability to record).

That's how it is. I don't see any way around it... the TiVo box would still be dependent on TiVo for guide information and series links. We'll no doubt know more once the other boxes come out. There may be a "basic" model?

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Originally Posted by pauldavies83

Again, not what I said or was discussing, but thanks for the advice - I will.

You're welcome

[mattboothers]

Thanks Digital Fanatic for taking your time to answer our questions. Much appreciated

However can you answer me this please...

...Will the apps be free to use? And will you be able to download more apps for free in the near future or will you be charged for their use?

[Big-Ted]

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People seem to be overlooking a couple of things that the £3 also covers.

Firstly the 10 meg BB connection built into the TiVo, ok you might not see a great use for it now but wait for more apps to come along, you might change your mind then.

Plus the data for the EPG is not coming from TiVo, thats only the epg software etc, the EPG data costs extra on top of TiVo software.......

Thirdly with its multi screen deals going through VM will be able to allow you to watch recorded content etc from the TiVo on your mobile, laptop, other stb in the house etc.

These alone are worth more than £3 a month.

As to raising charges, its not going to happen quite like that IMHO.

Cindy Rose stated "However, we intend to migrate our entire television customer base over to TiVo as our standard product within a matter of years, and not many years. That means, undoubtedly, we will course-correct, refine and review packaging and pricing decisions as we go to make that happen.”
http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419...tv-explosion/#

So more likely a complete redefinition of packages etc

[muppetman11]

Still stuck with what the £3.00 charge is for even though I would still probably pay it to get one. People are saying its for the EPG data so ehy is there no charge on sky+


Can't you already watch Sky content on your mobile/laptop/iPad for free as a Sky subscriber.

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by mattboothers

Thanks Digital Fanatic for taking your time to answer our questions. Much appreciated

However can you answer me this please...

...Will the apps be free to use? And will you be able to download more apps for free in the near future or will you be charged for their use?

All free so far... we have "Who wants to be a millionaire" app too now! Very addictive!

[Big-Ted]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

All free so far... we have "Who wants to be a millionaire" app too now! Very addictive!

I'm just trying to imagine what the "hundreds" Cindy Rose quoted for end of year will be


Bound to be some niche content there that will only interest a few like say fishing reports or current ski conditions etc

[Perfect Choice]

Oh no I'm doomed! My kids will be addicted to that app, will never get them off the TV to view normal programmes!!

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

Still stuck with what the £3.00 charge is for even though I would still probably pay it to get one. People are saying its for the EPG data so ehy is there no charge on sky+

You are comparing apples and oranges...

The data in the VM TiVo EPG is a heck of a lot more than what's on over the next week.

3 weeks ahead and 1 week back... a very nifty search engine too!

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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice

Oh no I'm doomed! My kids will be addicted to that app, will never get them off the TV to view normal programmes!!

It's really good too... I'm addicted

[Perfect Choice]

Dam, may need a second Tivo box then to avoid a clash, good marketing trick VM!!

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by Big-Ted

I'm just trying to imagine what the "hundreds" Cindy Rose quoted for end of year will be


Bound to be some niche content there that will only interest a few like say fishing reports or current ski conditions etc

I'm sure there will be in time.... you will be able to control what goes on the TiVo too, via TiVo Apps in My Virgin Media. So when the list gets bigger you can remove and add from a list of available apps... sweet