NHS shamed over callous treatment of elderly

Originally Posted by martyh

to be honest Maggie i doubt that in todays world a "Hattie Jacques" type of matron would be allowed

Which is why the NHS is doomed..A public institution like the NHS needs someone who has medical knowledge,strong opinions,high standards,excellent logistics skills and the ruthlessness to impose their will.

In other words we need Florence Nightingale.

[Gary L]

Heartlands in Brum was mentioned in the report. that really is a bad hospital. it's mainly Asians that are hospitalised in it. some of the staff really are useless at their job.
there's people that actually refuse to be taken there by ambulance. they used to want to go to the old Selly Oak, but now the new QE.

[Dai]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Which is why the NHS is doomed..A public institution like the NHS needs someone who has medical knowledge,strong opinions,high standards,excellent logistics skills and the ruthlessness to impose their will.

Can you imagine trying to get that past all the layers of middle management?

My partner trained as a nurse back in the days when you trained in-house and actually learned from the senior nursing staff. The first year was basically learning how to clean !!

But also the ethos and caring principles were carried across along with the actual nursing skills. I don't believe any university training can emulate that.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Change the funding method to socialised insurance rather than general progressive taxation, it's a horrid burden, change the method of operation away from the current system where the service seems to manage many of the inefficiencies of scale while failing to realise the economies, incentivise people to take private healthcare through the tax system instead of punishing them for it..

Oh I thought you meant public healthcare itself wasn't working. My bad. I am in favour of finding other ways but countries like France pay more for their healthcare.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Clearly because it's 'worked' in the past it's fine now?

We're the only non-communist nation with a nationalised health service paid for out of general taxation for a reason Damien. If it were so good do you not think everyone else would be doing it rather than single payer insurance based schemes?

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Whilst I agree with your sentiments about the NHS and then some,I would also call to attention the fact that Germans pay about 14-17 percent of their gross wages for health care alone.That's a lot of money... just saying.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Will21st

I would also call to attention the fact that Germans pay about 14-17 percent of their gross wages for health care alone.That's a lot of money... just saying.

Which is fine if we get the service that we paid for. What we get is massive tax to pay for a disinterested health service and some of us are now told Thousands more will have to sell homes for elderly care when they were promised cradle to grave care.....and paid for it. F'kin disgusting.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Total government revenue: £650 billion, NHS budget £97 billion

Makes a total of, tarar! 15% That's also quite a lot of money.

but,but that's the governments money,not mine!

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Damien

Oh I thought you meant public healthcare itself wasn't working. My bad. I am in favour of finding other ways but countries like France pay more for their healthcare.

Depends. While the country as a whole may pay more the costs are spread more evenly throughout the populace.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_...th_care_system

[Arthurgray50@blu]

The NHS has been in decline for years, no matter what government runs this country, a major problem with it, is that there are two many governors and not enough workers, we have much wastage in the service, the way it treats us is appalling

When my mother was seriously ill many years ago, she was left along in the corridor to join a queue, to get into the next available room to see the doctor who was on his own and that was WMUH in Isleworth.

She died in the same hospital three years later, what we need is a MATRON who will control the wards, we need a manager of the hospital who will put hospitals first, as at the moment it is 'we promise this and that' from different governments, we have to ban patients coming in from various countries using our HS as though it was a luxury.