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Old 06-02-2011, 09:55   #16
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Re: State multiculturalism has "failed", says Cameron

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Fury as Labour ‘smears’ David Cameron after he attacks multiculturalism



Mr Khan, the Shadow Justice Secretary, infuriated Downing Street by claiming that Mr Cameron was ‘writing propaganda for the English Defence League’. The EDL is an anti-Islamist street protest movement that numbers BNP supporters among its members.

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I think the timing couldn't have been better assuming of course that his intention was to release the speech on the day of a big EDL march ,lets not forget that groups like the BNP and EDL are also extreme groups of the same ilk as some islamist extremists ,would the same criticism have been levelled at him if he had said the same thing at the time of the "poppy burning" episode last year .
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Re: State multiculturalism has "failed", says Cameron

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I think the timing couldn't have been better assuming of course that his intention was to release the speech on the day of a big EDL march ,lets not forget that groups like the BNP and EDL are also extreme groups of the same ilk as some islamist extremists ,would the same criticism have been levelled at him if he had said the same thing at the time of the "poppy burning" episode last year .

this from the BNP website
Cameron’s ‘War on Multiculturalism’ Speech – Another Milestone in the ‘Griffinisation’ of British Politics ...................................

i haven't posted the article just the title


i wonder if mr Griffin will be going round to no 10 for tiffin and scones and a chat on his ideas ?
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Old 06-02-2011, 10:37   #18
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Cameron’s ‘War on Multiculturalism’ Speech – Another Milestone in the ‘Griffinisation’ of British Politics ...................................

i haven't posted the article just the title
Having just read the article there is one thing that is clear ,our friend MR Griffin has completely mis-understood Camerons meaning behind the speech .He says that cameron has declared war on multiculturism ...no he hasn't ,he has critisised labours way of introducing immigrants into this country and funding every group under the sun.
Griffin seems to be under the illusion that Cameron is supporting the bnps' views on immigration and multiculturism,legitimising what the bnp have been saying for 30 years ,i.e shut the doors and ship them home,he is not ,he is calling for a more a natural multiculturism ,the mixing of cultures more freely instead of all living together on a council estate .

One thing that Griffin has got right is that it is pointless making speeches like that without following through with action ,and that action must be well thought out not knee jerk reactions which was labours trade mark
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Re: State multiculturalism has "failed", says Cameron

Ok. so now take some concrete action: ban the burqua, close any mosques that house hate-mongering Imans and fire Baroness Warsi
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Ok. so now take some concrete action: ban the burqua, close any mosques that house hate-mongering Imans and fire Baroness Warsi
1) Maybe, should be considered, carefully.
2) No - deal with the Imams themselves, don't punish the worshippers.
3) Not until she does something genuinely worth being fired over. Shouldn't take her too long based on past.

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Having just read the article there is one thing that is clear ,our friend MR Griffin has completely mis-understood Camerons meaning behind the speech .He says that cameron has declared war on multiculturism ...no he hasn't ,he has critisised labours way of introducing immigrants into this country and funding every group under the sun.
Griffin seems to be under the illusion that Cameron is supporting the bnps' views on immigration and multiculturism,legitimising what the bnp have been saying for 30 years ,i.e shut the doors and ship them home,he is not ,he is calling for a more a natural multiculturism ,the mixing of cultures more freely instead of all living together on a council estate .

One thing that Griffin has got right is that it is pointless making speeches like that without following through with action ,and that action must be well thought out not knee jerk reactions which was labours trade mark
I doubt he's misunderstood anything, probably just hopes that other people will misunderstand it and is trying to hijack the speech for his own purposes.

We'll see if action genuinely does follow the words.
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1) Maybe, should be considered, carefully.
2) No - deal with the Imams themselves, don't punish the worshippers.
3) Not until she does something genuinely worth being fired over. Shouldn't take her too long based on past.

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I doubt he's misunderstood anything, probably just hopes that other people will misunderstand it and is trying to hijack the speech for his own purposes.

We'll see if action genuinely does follow the words.
Yes ,perhaps i was being a bit generous

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2) No - deal with the Imams themselves, don't punish the worshippers.
I agree with you ,as leaders if you will, the Imams are the ones with influence and sometimes are responsible for extremism ,exactly the same as other religions .After all we aren't about to shut down catholic churches because a few bishops are child abusers
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Re: State multiculturalism has "failed", says Cameron

Common sense at last.

I still have high hopes for Cameron.

Multiculturalism is a nonsense.

Let's not confuse it with Multiracialism, we can all live very happily in a Multiracial country and for the most part we do.

But Multiculturalism doesn't work. I like being British and I like our freedoms and values. The best thing about the British is that we embrace the parts of other cultures that we like - but we shouldn't have to "put up with" or even "respect" parts of other cultures that we do not agree with or does not fit with our way of life.
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Re: State multiculturalism has "failed", says Cameron

IMO One of the problem is numbers. Where the number of an incoming 'type'(race, country, religion etc) are few in an area, they mix well with the residents. It's when there is a large enough number of them(critical mass), they separate into their own groups, open their community centres, rather than attend the community centre which is for everyone.
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I still don't know if he means is a part of the UK or as part of England.

After all the Scots,Welsh and Irish all pretty much seem to have a clear sense of identity(i.e. not English) but us English really do seem to have some confusion as to what being English really means or just what our cultural heritage is anyway.
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Re: State multiculturalism has "failed", says Cameron

This may be part of the problem with identity, compare the two statements:

I'm English & I happen to be Christian

I'm Muslim...

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Whilst people regard their identity to be solely their religion, you'll never get past that to a sense of identity, because to them, that IS their identity, anything else is secondary.


How do I know what I'm saying?

I've worked alongside these people for a long time (20 years) and in my experience, over that length of time, even really quite moderate Muslims have taken a much harder line for their religion now.

I won't even mention the 'israeli' word as that seems to transform every single Muslim I've met into a foaming at the mouth frenzy if you mention it.


no agenda, just what I've observed. I can't say I know what the solution is, except whatever we've been doing as a nation for the last 20+ years, obviously isn't it.
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Re: State multiculturalism has "failed", says Cameron

Depends on the question you ask?

If you asked someone their nationality, I doubt they would answer Christian/Muslim.

If you ask their religion, I also doubt they would answer "English & Christian".
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David Cameron has criticised "state multiculturalism" in his first speech on radicalisation and the causes of terrorism as prime minister.


Mr Cameron suggested there would be greater scrutiny of some Muslim groups that get public money but do little to tackle extremism.

Ministers should refuse to share platforms or engage with such groups, which should be denied access to public funds and barred from spreading their message in universities and prisons, he argued.

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