[Update] ALL 20>30Mb upgrade discussion - Page 42

qasdfdsaq · 29-01-2011, 22:03

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Originally Posted by pip08456

If that were the case why bother with new firmware which will allow it?

Satisfying 90% of customers to begin with then a further 5% later on still beats leaving it at 90% or being stuck at 0% until you can get all 95% in one go.

Simple business economics really

Same reason 100mbit is being made available out area by area rather than waiting for all areas to be 100mbit capable then releasing it nationwide in one go

Nopanic · 29-01-2011, 22:07

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Originally Posted by Masque

It would probably kill the modem side and then you would have no internet, so the possibility of bricking the modem becomes very likely.

well yeah, theres a risk of it .. but if you know what your doing, I'm sure its not that hard ..

Peter_ · 29-01-2011, 22:12

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Originally Posted by Nopanic

well yeah, theres a risk of it .. but if you know what your doing, I'm sure its not that hard ..

As it remains the property of Virginmedia at all times no one should attempt to flash any hub or modem as it will breach the Terms and Conditions of your contract and you could potentially be disconnected from the network and put on a blacklist.

The cons truly outweigh the pros and is not a recommended route to try.

Chrysalis · 29-01-2011, 22:12

Masque calm down

I dont see why flashing firmware made by netgear designed for the device would brick it, the issue really is if the VM firmware itself would allow it or block it.

Peter_ · 29-01-2011, 22:14

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Masque calm down

I dont see why flashing firmware made by netgear designed for the device would brick it, the issue really is if the VM firmware itself would allow it or block it.

The main function is as a modem and being a router is secondary and it is not your property so nothing should be done that my destroy the functionality of the equipment.

Chrysalis · 29-01-2011, 22:17

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taking back what I said, as was probably harsh, I do understand your position.

for what its worth I wont be blindly attempting to reflash a superhub with netgear firmware, unless its a tried and tested thing already done by others like dd-wrt on the dlink.

Peter_ · 29-01-2011, 22:25

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

that applies to the dlink's also tho, you seem offended.

The D Link is a router and is basically given out for free and is supported for 2 years.

Your modem on the other hand is supported by Virginmedia for the whole period that you are a customer and at all times remains the property of Virginmedia hence all technician visits are free.

Now if you attempt to flash the router side in a hub you may well brick the modem side due to it being combined which is not the result anyone wants.

I am not in the least bit offended by anyone thinking to flash the hubs as they are more likely to brick the device in the attempt.

Others have found ways of using their routers with a hub by using firmware on their routers as a workaround.

Chrysalis · 29-01-2011, 22:29

yeah a reflash I expect would have to affect both sides, and is possible that VM specific firmware is required for the modem to connect, that I also understand, so as I said I wont be blindly trying it, that I leave to someone else. I would think the device wouldnt be bricked tho. Just wouldnt connect to VM's network, so it would be the case of reflashing the VM firmware back on afterwards.

Peter_ · 29-01-2011, 22:33

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I would think the device wouldnt be bricked tho. Just wouldnt connect to VM's network, so it would be the case of reflashing the VM firmware back on afterwards.

If it would not connect to the network then that would be a bricked modem and we would be unable to get it back online again.

Not really worth the time and effort involved because you would end up with no broadband connection.

Griffin · 29-01-2011, 22:41

Surely if VM give you the super hub for free then its logical it remains their property, but if they charge you for the super hub then it becomes more of a grey area as money has changed hands & becomes a purchase.
I see this as along the lines of the original modems that were owned by the customers.

jb66 · 29-01-2011, 22:43

And a call out fee

Nopanic · 29-01-2011, 22:47

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Originally Posted by Masque

As it remains the property of Virginmedia at all times no one should attempt to flash any hub or modem as it will breach the Terms and Conditions of your contract and you could potentially be disconnected from the network and put on a blacklist.

The cons truly outweigh the pros and is not a recommended route to try.

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Masque calm down

I dont see why flashing firmware made by netgear designed for the device would brick it, the issue really is if the VM firmware itself would allow it or block it.

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Originally Posted by Masque

The main function is as a modem and being a router is secondary and it is not your property so nothing should be done that my destroy the functionality of the equipment.

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Originally Posted by Masque

If it would not connect to the network then that would be a bricked modem and we would be unable to get it back online again.

Not really worth the time and effort involved because you would end up with no broadband connection.

wow you feel strongly about this .. personally, I don't care, if someone bricks it, ah well too bad, they pay for a new one, if they get it to work, good for them, they wont get a faster service (tier wise) so it makes no odds to us ..

I'd be interest to see any flashes that work ..

Saying that, I'd like to see one of these "flashed" modems, that give apparent free service ..

Peter_ · 29-01-2011, 22:48

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Originally Posted by Griffin

Surely if VM give you the super hub for free then its logical it remains their property, but if they charge you for the super hub then it becomes more of a grey area as money has changed hands & becomes a purchase.
I see this as along the lines of the original modems that were owned by the customers.

Not a grey area at all as the modem as with all Set Top Boxes remains the property of Virginmedia at all hence the free callouts unlike SKY where the box is your property and after a year they will charge you for callouts.

This is also in the Terms and Conditions.

Nopanic · 29-01-2011, 22:48

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Originally Posted by Griffin

Surely if VM give you the super hub for free then its logical it remains their property, but if they charge you for the super hub then it becomes more of a grey area as money has changed hands & becomes a purchase.
I see this as along the lines of the original modems that were owned by the customers.

all devices remain the property of VM .. always have.

I think anyone that is considering "adapting" the modem or router, would be best having a look at the T&Cs to see what the score is ..

My concern is people getting service for free, I spend a lot of time tracking down and terminating none paying devices .. but I am still impressed with the technical know how these people have..

qasdfdsaq · 29-01-2011, 23:43

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Originally Posted by Nopanic

wow you feel strongly about this .. personally, I don't care, if someone bricks it, ah well too bad, they pay for a new one, if they get it to work, good for them, they wont get a faster service (tier wise) so it makes no odds to us ..

I'd be interest to see any flashes that work ..

Saying that, I'd like to see one of these "flashed" modems, that give apparent free service ..

Yeah, he's been feeling that "strongly" since I first suggested it about a month ago in another thread. I haven't got my hands on one yet, but I maintain soon as I get hold of a free one I'll tear it apart and have a gaze at its innards.

I doubt you'll get free service out if it though, what with BPI+ and all. My main intention would be a cheap dual-band wireless AP. As mentioned before I've got no interest in the cable/modem/router part.