TiVo

[royaltiger]

Originally Posted by gadge

Thats how these things work i beta test for virgin on the v+ and v boxes if i blabbed the chief tester would have my nuts for breakfast.

You should have blabbed and said its slow at channel changing, freezes and reboots on its own accord, we might have had a perfect box all for the sake of nuts.

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop

I had a SA one that was crap too. I lot of peoples views are similar to mine. Sluggish menu system dropped recordings reboots freezing after midnight. My view is not unique again I have to ask why are people jumped on if they have negative experience with VM? I have been a customer many a year and the cable BB is the best available but the TV comes a poor second to Sky with its only plus point VOD

Have you seen the problems Sky users have had with their tv boxes. Most recently it was the anytime + upgrade caused major problems with their 1Tb and 500Gb boxes. I will agree that the problems at midnight should have been sorted long ago but if you have such a problem with VM tv why have you had two v+ boxes?

Originally Posted by ahardie

Have you seen the problems Sky users have had with their tv boxes. Most recently it was the anytime + upgrade caused major problems with their 1Tb and 500Gb boxes. I will agree that the problems at midnight should have been sorted long ago but if you have such a problem with VM tv why have you had two v+ boxes?

I dont I just have the new V+ the SA I stopped using years ago.

To put it simply I am greedy I prefer Sky tvs quality but I like the option of VOD. If the Tivo box once stable with all the tuners working does the job then I will be more than happy to drop Sky. I took the new V+ box on when they were letting you have them free with self install a while ago

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop

I dont I just have the new V+ the SA I stopped using years ago.

To put it simply I am greedy I prefer Sky tvs quality but I like the option of VOD. If the Tivo box once stable with all the tuners working does the job then I will be more than happy to drop Sky. I took the new V+ box on when they were letting you have them free with self install a while ago

Fair enough.

[zantarous]

Originally Posted by devilincarnate

Let me try and clarify on what i was meaning ( i may have to open my mouth to put my other foot in it ).

What i meant to say is that that with the programme already been written ( as is used in the US ) the bugs should be ironed out and the only problem that i can see it been is due to the 3rd tuner as it is not activated at the start and going to be activated in early 2011.

I hope this clarifies what i meant

It may be based on a US Tivo but that one is very different. First that is just a standalone PVR that you can plug a aerial or cablecard into and has no access to VoD.

For the VM version they have to integrate the whole of the VM network, the box has to talk back to the headend and CS need to be able to provion services on it. They also need add interactive, VoD, PPV, red button etc. These are just things of the top of my head that I can think of, I am sure there are a lot more changes that had to be made.

[devilincarnate]

Originally Posted by zantarous

It may be based on a US Tivo but that one is very different. First that is just a standalone PVR that you can plug a aerial or cablecard into and has no access to VoD.

For the VM version they have to integrate the whole of the VM network, the box has to talk back to the headend and CS need to be able to provion services on it. They also need add interactive, VoD, PPV, red button etc. These are just things of the top of my head that I can think of, I am sure there are a lot more changes that had to be made.

Mouth open and the other foot in it

[carbon60]

Has anyone noticed that the Tivo box doesn't have the channel number displayed on the front?

I know that with Tivo the whole interface does away with linear content but it's still a feature I like on the V+ box that Sky boxes don't have. Still won't stop me getting one though.

I'm curious about what the cost will be to add Tivo as an additional box - I guess it'll be £13 a month (£5 extra outlet + £5 recording capability (originally V+ charge) + £3 Tivo charge). I'll wait and see.

Also if £3 is additional to XL subscription would it cover all Tivo boxes in the house?

[Begize]

Originally Posted by royaltiger

yes, but you have to reset all the bios to get the operating system to work

Off topic, but sorry, no, you don't.

You don't have to reset the BIOS on a PC, server, RAID card, printer etc to get it to work after a firmware update. It's also fairly standard that any update doesn't destroy any settings you have.

If it or you do, something is wrong.

This is speaking from 20 years IT support experience.

[royaltiger]

Originally Posted by Begize

Off topic, but sorry, no, you don't.

You don't have to reset the BIOS on a PC, server, RAID card, printer etc to get it to work after a firmware update. It's also fairly standard that any update doesn't destroy any settings you have.

If it or you do, something is wrong.

This is speaking from 20 years IT support experience.

So after 20 years of It experience every firmware update on a motherboard you have done all your settings have remained in place, mmmmm I dont think so, not with motherboards most firmware updates will put everything to factory default, it will depend on the product how the updates work and you will be told to make sure all your data is backed up. It will probably take a firmware update to tell tivo to remember the previous settings of the user if its a case so far that its not remembering the settings, again all speculation.

I think you are making a mistake using the word "everything" and totally missing the point

You flash the bios firmware on a mobo the bios resets but the operating system stays the same

You flash a firmware on an android phone( iphones too) the base software changes the operating system settings remain the same ( this is not always the case and custom firmwares always recommend a hard reset)

The base firmware updates on the Sky box but the operating system settings remain the same

The base firmware on the V and V+ updates the operating system settings remain the same

The guy told me ( and as I said it could be bull plop) the base firmware updates and some of the operating system settings are lost

Is that clear and understandble for you Mr Tiger??

[royaltiger]

Originally Posted by ooogemaflop

I think you are making a mistake using the word "everything" and totally missing the point

You flash the bios firmware on a mobo the bios resets but the operating system stays the same

You flash a firmware on an android phone( iphones too) the base software changes the operating system settings remain the same ( this is not always the case and custom firmwares always recommend a hard reset)

The base firmware updates on the Sky box but the operating system settings remain the same

The base firmware on the V and V+ updates the operating system settings remain the same

The guy told me ( and as I said it could be bull plop) the base firmware updates and some of the operating system settings are lost

Is that clear and understandble for you Mr Tiger??

I'm not disputing anything you said, merely pointing out a motherboard firmware update will rest to factory default thus wont recognise any operating system untill you tell it by changing bios settings, and different products update individually and it may take a firmware update on tivo to tell itself to remember the previous settings of the user.

[Begize]

Originally Posted by royaltiger

So after 20 years of It experience every firmware update on a motherboard you have done all your settings have remained in place, mmmmm I dont think so, not with motherboards most firmware updates will put everything to factory default, it will depend on the product how the updates work and you will be told to make sure all your data is backed up.

Sorry, you're wrong.

I'm not saying it never happens, sometimes (very rarely in my experience) there's a problem with flashing firmware because of a fault, but generally no, settings are not lost.

Think about it, if you flashed your BIOS and lost all your settings, you would have to set boot device, probably confirm changes when the PC booted because it detected "new" memory, drives etc. Not sure how many you've done yourself, but I've done three today already and on no occasions did I have to reset or change anything.

Originally Posted by royaltiger

I'm not disputing anything you said, merely pointing out a motherboard firmware update will rest to factory default thus wont recognise any operating system untill you tell it by changing bios settings, and different products update individually and it may take a firmware update on tivo to tell itself to remember the previous settings of the user.

you really should not make blanket statements

99% of store bought pcs would have one hard drive and be configured to defaults meaning even if the cmos is reset the system will just boot up normally only systems configured with OS hard drive on higher positioned sata connection with a different drive gaining priority would not boot and this is only if the OS drive was set to first boot in priority when the OS is installed if not then system files would have written to the spare drive and the system would boot

All of this is irrelevent in this thread anyway as a firmware update of a TV should not lose the user settings and if the Tivo box does ( which I accept is suspect) then its a bug isnt it

[Rattus]

So if i get this right.. VM staff and the odd tester have only just received their boxes this week?

If so, i cant see customers getting installs Q1 2011. When i beta tested the TVdrive it was 6 months before it was actually released for general install.

On that note perhaps it was different but i never had to sign any NDA when i tested last time, perhaps VM do things differently to old TW though.

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by Rattus

So if i get this right.. VM staff and the odd tester have only just received their boxes this week?

If so, i cant see customers getting installs Q1 2011. When i beta tested the TVdrive it was 6 months before it was actually released for general install.

On that note perhaps it was different but i never had to sign any NDA when i tested last time, perhaps VM do things differently to old TW though.

It's not in BETA testing, it's the 1st roll-out. This will allow VM to iron out any little last-minute bugs before customers get the polished product.