Students Rioting in London. - Page 40

Flyboy · 13-12-2010, 20:48

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Originally Posted by martyh

so if you already know why ask and say that a change a law would be needed ,because that is quite clearly not the case

Yes, I was being a bit facetious, but the fact still remains that the home secretary implied that a parliamentary debate would be needed to in order to deploy water canons.

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Well from that "very blurred" footage (and it was i agree )you seem to have come to the conlusion that he was tipped out and totally unwilling to accept any other explanation

Was he not tipped out then?

Sirius · 13-12-2010, 20:49

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Originally Posted by Russ

Seriously it's like talking to my parents' sunflower plant.

But does it keep asking you questions

Flyboy · 13-12-2010, 20:50

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Originally Posted by nomadking

There are pictures of him at the front of the 'battle lines' with people behind him, jostling him, carrying sticks(some dropped and visible on the ground), and covering their faces. One was even carrying, what seems to be a makeshift shield. His brother looks back at someone grabbing him from behind. They were hardly in the peaceful section. At the very least the Police would have been unable to take action on the people behind him as he would have been in the way,

I have to admit I didn't see that, was that at the time he was tipped from his chair?

Cobbydaler · 13-12-2010, 20:52

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

No I didn't, I answered your question, I am sorry if it was not quick enough for you, but there was an awful to get through.

Sorry. Yes you did, at the same time I posted that you hadn't.

13-12-2010, 20:52

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Yep the students were only carrying out there democratic right for peaceful protesting with just a bit of radical after shots

"what we see from the protesters is not violence"

"it was a radicle but good natured demostration"

"the police need to rethink their tactics".....well they're gonna mate ..water cannons at the ready

followed by a healthy dose of CS gas

13-12-2010, 20:53

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

But there wasn't, was there. It took the officer a lot longer to drag him across the road, than it would to have wheeled him. So, he wasn't in real danger at all, was he? It looked like he just hacked the officer off. Seeing as he had to be dragged away (quite forcibly) by his colleague, kind of suggests he hadn't finished punishing him, either.

I said maybe. I could not see the video as the link did not work, maybe you would like to re link to a working video?

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

Not really, no. The water canon is not exactly a precision instrument.

Are you for real?

Have you never used a water pistol?

nomadking · 13-12-2010, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

I have to admit I didn't see that, was that at the time he was tipped from his chair?

There you go. His brother doesn't look too happy with the situation behind him.

Flyboy · 13-12-2010, 20:58

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Originally Posted by Russ

One doesn't, but one's sense of perspective changes when one is in the middle of a riot and doesn't have the luxury of thinking a situation through before putting the world to rights on an internet forum and telling the world how one could do it better than those in the thick of it.

The difference being I am open minded enough to not yet have made up my mind about what was going on.

Yes, clear enough for you to show how narrow-minded you are and feel no need to seek the full facts first. In the words of the youth of today, "epic fail".

It might be you have something of a valid point (not so sure about the narrow mind

) But I am finding it difficult to see how the footage can be seen in any other way. Is there something that I could be missing? To me it looks like a police officer getting angry and taking it out on a disabled man in a wheelchair, especially as he has to be dragged off him by another police officer. It doesn't look good. If he had been at risk on the other side of the road, which is not that evident, why would he do something that would take more than twice as long to get him to the other side of the road. It really is much easier for two police officers to move an occupied wheelchair, than to drag a struggling, albeit a disabled, man across a road.

If someone can provide a justifiable and logical explanation, I might concede the point. But simply saying that he deserved it, or that he was in danger, without showing that he was in greater danger than he was put in by this officer, I am not so sure I can be convinced.

13-12-2010, 21:00

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

Yes, I was being a bit facetious, but the fact still remains that the home secretary implied that a parliamentary debate would be needed to in order to deploy water canons.

Was he not tipped out then?

we don't know do we ,because the video evidence that you are relying on doesn't show it ,it is possible that the officer attempted to wheel him away but because Mr wheel chair was (maybe)being so uncooperative the chair tipped on the curb ....or maybe Mr wheelchair has tipped it up himself to put the police in a bad light ...and maybe the second officer seen dragging the first officer away was doing so to protect his coleague because he knew that they where being set up

Flyboy · 13-12-2010, 21:00

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Paraplegic?

Yes a little hyperbole on my behalf, I'll try to be less so in future.

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ie troublemaker.

Is that the definition of all political activists and bloggers?

Blackened · 13-12-2010, 21:01

Some members have been on here arguing for 12 hours. That can't be a healthy lifestyle. Sorry, I just had to make that observation. You must have a lot of spare time.

Flyboy · 13-12-2010, 21:03

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Originally Posted by Russ

No that doesn't make someone a troublemaker. But using a disability to create a situation the police have no chance of looking anything other than the bad guys in just to make a point, THAT would be a troublemaker.

But there is no certainty that he did that.

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Here's some video from the other night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW4NhBw-1yE

Watch the hooligan students with there steel bars but of course some here will say its all the fault of the police.

Stupid buggers.

Peter_ · 13-12-2010, 21:05

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

And how would our police, behaving like the Chilean State Police be better on our streets.

I am happy for our police to allowed to control the thugs with whatever means are at their disposal be it water cannon or baton rounds or preferably a mixture of the two.

The mistake has been all along allowing them into areas of power such as Whitehall where they have shown total disrespect to the government buildings, statues and the Cenotaph, a good soaking with a water cannon would have stopped any disruption in its tracks.

Any future demonstrations must not be allowed to enter Whitehall under any circumstances whatsoever and if required to prevent that happening the Army should be mobilised.

No other country would allow such behaviour in their hub of government and up to now our thugs have been handled with kid gloves in comparison to any other country.

As for bringing Chile into this I do not actually care what their police force do as it is not in my Capital City.

Cobbydaler · 13-12-2010, 21:05

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Originally Posted by Blackened

Some members have been on here arguing for 12 hours. That can't be a healthy lifestyle. Sorry, I just had to make that observation. You must have a lot of spare time.

It's Flyboy's plan to suck all the Police in the UK into posting in this thread.

Then there will be none of them out and about to prevent the 'non-violence' during the 'peaceful' protests....

13-12-2010, 21:05

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Originally Posted by Blackened

Some members have been on here arguing for 12 hours. That can't be a healthy lifestyle. Sorry, I just had to make that observation. You must have a lot of spare time.

Inbetween watching TV and doing some work, I do have some spare time

Get stuck in!