Get on a bus and find a job

[Kymmy]

Wouldn't do people in this village much good.. In the morning there's 2 buses when they decide to run...

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Jon T

Maybe holders of car/bike licenses should be subjected to greater scrutiny/sanctions regarding the job searching activities?

How would they do that?
if there were stricter sanctions on whether you had a licence, you'd say you didn't have one.
even then you could say you have a licence but don't own a vehicle.

[Jon T]

Originally Posted by Gary L

How would they do that?
if there were stricter sanctions on whether you had a licence, you'd say you didn't have one.
even then you could say you have a licence but don't own a vehicle.

Valid point.

Although as a Government body i'd imagine that they could have access to the DVLA database. But as it stands at the moment claimants would probably do exactly as you'd pointed out. I suppose then the only problem would be if a claimant was applying for a job that listed a driving license as an essential requirement, that's the problem, tell a lie and you risk being found out.

[Gary L]

True, but it all comes down to cost of travelling, and how far they'd expect you to travel because you had a car compared to not having a car.

because they want you off the 'books' you'd probably be told that after fuel expenses you'll be £10 a week better off than you are now.

I think that's what the biggest block is in getting a job or not getting a job. to a lot of people it's 'is it worth getting out of bed for'

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by haydnwalker

Commuting a little isn't an issue, but an hour on the bus, at quite a chunk of cash, would put people off.

That, to me, is just plain wrong.

I have never lived that near work. My commute is anywhere from 40 minutes to an hour and a half. It costs me nearly £1,000 a year to do this. Why do I do this? My salary is considerably more than £1,000 a year.

If I were to follow your logic, I would not have my job. I would possibly not have any.

Originally Posted by Gary L

True, but it all comes down to cost of travelling, and how far they'd expect you to travel because you had a car compared to not having a car.

because they want you off the 'books' you'd probably be told that after fuel expenses you'll be £10 a week better off than you are now.

I think that's what the biggest block is in getting a job or not getting a job. to a lot of people it's 'is it worth getting out of bed for'

And that's what the Government are trying to change - that sort of attitude is not acceptable; if they can work, they should do, rather than everyone else supporting them.

Remember - the main revenue the government has is tax, and we (on the whole) pay for that minority who don't choose to work (I am not including those who are not able to work in that comment).

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Hugh

And that's what the Government are trying to change - that sort of attitude is not acceptable; if they can work, they should do, rather than everyone else supporting them.

As far as I know, that attitude was acceptable by the jobcentre staff themselves until they were told to think otherwise.

with some people they get their rent, council tax and a few other bits and bobs paid. so they see it as a bigger picture where if the job is only temporary they will have to pay out I'd say a minimum of £100 per week before they start working out travel and all other expenses.

it's not really their fault either. I remember when I was younger and people claiming the dole knew they were entitled to everything that was going. they'd be down the office demanding this and that. even with their baby in arms saying who's going to feed it?

it's only just recently started changing, where demands are not met anymore. and the responsibility lies with the parents and not so much the government.

And sometimes public transport timetabling doesn't benefit the early worker or the late worker..

First bus out of this village isn't until 6.40 but my husband starts work at 6 am and is expected to arrive early enough to do a hand over.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

And sometimes public transport timetabling doesn't benefit the early worker or the late worker..

First bus out of this village isn't until 6.40 but my husband starts work at 6 am and is expected to arrive early enough to do a hand over.

So obviously he should throw himself on the dole citing difficulty getting to work as an excuse.....

Originally Posted by Ramrod

So obviously he should throw himself on the dole citing difficulty getting to work as an excuse.....

No luckily we have a car..otherwise he could bike it it theoretically being in the same town.Could be problematic (and has been in the past) if living further from one's workplace than a bike ride though.

The point I was trying to make is that not all cases are the same and not all jobs can be fitted in around public transport.

[vanman]

according to the government you should move to fit the job location

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by vanman

according to the government you should move to fit the job location

As I have done on several occasions (I once had a 1.5 hour drive each way and my wife had a 2.25 hr drive each way before we moved)......are you saying people shouldn't?.......and simply sit on their arses and bleat about how unfair life & govts are?

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

The point I was trying to make is that not all cases are the same and not all jobs can be fitted in around public transport.

So he found a way

[vanman]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

As I have done on several occasions (I once had a 1.5 hour drive each way and my wife had a 2.25 hr drive each way before we moved)......are you saying people shouldn't?.......and simply sit on their arses and bleat about how unfair life & govts are?

no i just point out that the gov are saying we have no sympathy for any one that complain about the lack of buses.
and people bleat about how unfair life & govts are,
all of the time they dont need an excuse

Originally Posted by Ramrod

As I have done on several occasions (I once had a 1.5 hour drive each way and my wife had a 2.25 hr drive each way before we moved)......are you saying people shouldn't?.......and simply sit on their arses and bleat about how unfair life & govts are?

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So he found a way

That didn't involve public transport yes..but we are talking about using public transport in the search for a job are we not..and some jobs don't begin and end within public transport hours..So one size does not fit all.Then of course one is into using private transport which is fine if you have some..but the costs have to be borne out by one receiving a reasonable wage that enables one to make enough of a profit wage wise to pay all your bills and afford transport.

Last year I was offered work to invigilate.Unfortunately the job was the other side of Portsmouth and entailed two bus journeys and a ferry journey to get there and about 40 minutes journey to get there.Same coming back except I would always get a half hour extra on the journey for waiting time for the final bus.for this I got £30.As the journey cost around a tenner I was in fact earning only £20 before tax..£20 for sometime a 3 hour exam..sometimes an hour.

Now Rammy, be honest would you bother?

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

The point that seems to being missed here is that IDS has demonised all unemployed people.

Yes there is a section of idle layabouts who wouldn't walk the lengths of themselves to get a job, never mind get a bus.

I doubt very much if the many honest people desperately seeking work will be taking too kindly to the generalised statement IDS has made. Insensitive to say the least. Talk about kicking people when they're down.

If this is an example of the caring side of the big society then we're well and truly screwed.

rubbish ,the point that has been missed here is that the unions have blown what IDS actually said out of context and proportion ,basically they have lied and fools and the media have sucked it up like a dyson .As i said ,and many others ,he could have phrased it better so the fools weren't confused but he hasn't generalised any body .
The unions haven't had a government to critisise for 14 yrs but by god they are making up for it now