Jobcentre told woman to put bag over head.

[Peter_]

The are many businesses that she could get a job with such as in a call centre for example.

Originally Posted by Kymmy

One thing picked up here is that she's restricting her job prospects by having such piercings/tattoos and as such has made herself unemployable...

I find that attitude quite pathetic... Have the piercings reduced her IQ?? Have they disabled her movements in any way?? Have they restricted her communting ability?? Do they stop her communicating with others??

In other words should the tattoos or piercings matter.. Just the same as color of your skin/hair, racial background, sexual preference and religion shouldn't matter...

I agree with you but sadly that utopia hasn't arrived as yet.It's back to the fat people need not apply as they cannot fit the uniform answer.

People looking for work in the present day have to be pragmatic and realistic.

[Kymmy]

Just me viewpoint Chris

I will though freely admit that my tattoos are in places I can cover up and made that choice when I had them done, that still doesn't stop the fact that it shouldn't effect my ablity to do a job

Now buy me a coffee in the mods lounge before I give you a few tattoos and piercings

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Just me viewpoint Chris

I will though freely admit that my tattoos are in places I can cover up and made that choice when I had them done, that still doesn't stop the fact that it shouldn't effect my ablity to do a job

Now buy me a coffee in the mods lounge before I give you a few tattoos and piercings

You're welcome for a coffee any time, tattoos and all.

I know it's your viewpoint ... and in fact, I wish the world was a little less obsessed with external appearances. The thing that gets me about all this is how unwilling she is to recognise that, for better or worse, other people have certain expectations and those other people are the ones with all the cards (money, job offers, etc).

I know the article suggests the reason for her anger is the crass way the job centre adviser went about things, but I can't help thinking that what's really behind this is a sense on her part that someone has dared criticised the way she looks.

Knowing when to stand out and when to fit in is a critical aspect of human behaviour. I suspect that the person in question here actually doesn't place much value on the concept of fitting in ever, under any circumstances. This would likely be the case even if she didn't have facial piercings and tattoos, but I don't think its unreasonable for an employer to use the fact that she has had those things done to her face to deduce that she may not be willing to conform in certain business situations.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Certainly I would be quite put off if there was a teller in my bank with half a scrapyard hanging off her face, conversly it's almost part of the job spec for working in a tattoo parlour.

She'd be suited in a job that nobody else wants to do. like dealing with sickly sights where dead people are concerned. looking after deranged nutters in a top security mental institution out in the middle of nowhere.

or even emptying your bins?!

nobody will care what she looks like then.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

I find that attitude quite pathetic... Have the piercings reduced her IQ?? Have they disabled her movements in any way?? Have they restricted her communting ability?? Do they stop her communicating with others??...

None of the above (obviously) but they have made her less likely to be employed.
The jobcenter once sent me a woman for a receptionists job......she had "big boy" tatooed on her forarm......
If someone turns up for a customer facing job interview and can't even be bothered to cover up a thought provoking tatoo like that (or sports other interesting decorations) then they don't get considered for the job




.......obviously I took her number and contacted her for evening and weekend 'services'

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

.......obviously I took her number and contacted her for evening and weekend 'services'

Was she as big a boy as you were hoping?

[Ramrod]

No comment

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by superbiatch

We are told not to follow 'gut instinct' anymore, to stick to the scoring techniques which inevitably means sometimes you end up with staff you feel are not suited to the rest of the team. To save going through what I've been through the last 12 months - i'm sticking to the rules

Indeed, I know of someone who applied for a job. He knows, or at least does a good impression of knowing a lot about the tech we use. I have to admit, I have reason to doubt he does actually know it, but technically he "ticked all the boxes". The problem came because a large part of the job is dealing with users. Something he is terrible at (he is the sort of person who will offend you at some point, whether intentionally or not).

As such, he met the technical requirements of the job, but would have been absolutely awful at it.

If this jobcentre person did say this in a way i find it refreshing because as someone with a visual sign of my disability there is nothing worse then going for a job interview and having the interviewer clearly looking at it all the time but never daring to mention it. We are in a visually obsessed world right now and people like it or not have to play to that to a point and while it is all well and good to say that people should be able to express themselves anyway they want and in an ideal world that would be right in the world we have right now looks count and you get both judged and discounted on them. I have had to phone back many times and promise not to hold it against some people to find out the truth for why i never got a job even though i was often the most qualified and most suitable person and the answer has always been my disability. Do i like it no i don't do i understand it yes i do and as time has gone by my skin has thickened to the point where it doesn't bother me anymore and if you want to be visually different thats fine grow the skin to go with it stop expecting the world to molly coddle you something all too many people expect and demand these days precious little things.

[Caff]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

If this jobcentre person did say this in a way i find it refreshing because as someone with a visual sign of my disability there is nothing worse then going for a job interview and having the interviewer clearly looking at it all the time but never daring to mention it. We are in a visually obsessed world right now and people like it or not have to play to that to a point and while it is all well and good to say that people should be able to express themselves anyway they want and in an ideal world that would be right in the world we have right now looks count and you get both judged and discounted on them. I have had to phone back many times and promise not to hold it against some people to find out the truth for why i never got a job even though i was often the most qualified and most suitable person and the answer has always been my disability. Do i like it no i don't do i understand it yes i do and as time has gone by my skin has thickened to the point where it doesn't bother me anymore and if you want to be visually different thats fine grow the skin to go with it stop expecting the world to molly coddle you something all too many people expect and demand these days precious little things.

I can't agree more.
She chose her appearance.
I'm sure she'll fit in fine somewhere.

[Wayfair]

My 2p is, she wants individuality and not to live inside what we conciser to be the 'normal visual box', and I am not saying that is right or wrong.

Then sorry, but unless she has the ways and means to cover the individualityness up 'yes it's a word :/' then she has wilfully excluded herself from the workplace normalness we normal people do,

And as Caff says, "I'm sure she'll fit in fine somewhere."

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Wayfair

My 2p is, she wants individuality and not to live inside what we conciser to be the 'normal visual box', and I am not saying that is right or wrong.

Then sorry, but unless she has the ways and means to cover the individualityness up 'yes it's a word :/' then she has wilfully excluded herself from the workplace normalness we normal people do,

And as Caff says, "I'm sure she'll fit in fine somewhere."

Is that though the point here? The point being that the advisor could have handled it better..

I'd love a perfect world where looks weren't the basis of aquiring a job, but yes I agree that she hasn't made it easy for herself..

[Caff]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Is that though the point here? The point being that the advisor could have handled it better..

I'd love a perfect world where looks weren't the basis of aquiring a job, but yes I agree that she hasn't made it easy for herself..

There isn't a "perfect world"
We're all different thank goodness - that's as close as it gets

Originally Posted by Kymmy

One thing picked up here is that she's restricting her job prospects by having such piercings/tattoos and as such has made herself unemployable...

I find that attitude quite pathetic... Have the piercings reduced her IQ?? Have they disabled her movements in any way?? Have they restricted her communting ability?? Do they stop her communicating with others??

In other words should the tattoos or piercings matter.. Just the same as color of your skin/hair, racial background, sexual preference and religion shouldn't matter...

What her attitude shows though Kimmy is that her body art is far more important to her than anything else ,she is showing no consideration ,or she just doesn't realise that employers will demand a certain dress code,not to mention the health and safety aspect ,which would suggest that common sense isn't her strongest suit .She says she is looking for any job ,well unfortunately for her most jobs requiring customer interaction (except a tattoo parlour)would be ruled out ,any job in the catering industry/food preperation i.e mcdonalds,burgerking ect will be ruled out ,jobs in factories will be ruled out ,the list goes on .Maybe she should have thought of this before deforming herself to this extent

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

Is that though the point here? The point being that the advisor could have handled it better..

I'd love a perfect world where looks weren't the basis of aquiring a job, but yes I agree that she hasn't made it easy for herself..

He could have ignored her looks and gone through the procedure of sending her on interviews ,her not getting the jobs and not knowing why .I feel sometimes you just have speak blunt to some people and tell them how it is with no fancy etiquette.