Jobcentre told woman to put bag over head. - Page 4

Gary L · 27-09-2010, 22:53

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Originally Posted by martyh

not at all Gary this thread has nothing to with colour or race it is all about a stroppy Ms who doesn't like being told her looks don't do much for her job opportunities

That's not very nice calling her stroppy. you read how upset she was. you've made up your mind based on her looks. are you any better?

I don't mean better in you looking better than her. I mean better in discrimination. be that looks, colour or race.

**Maggy** · 27-09-2010, 22:56

20 body piercings? Seems excessive..maybe even smacks of obsessive.

One,two,three perhaps but that many would make me pause and wonder when considering someone with that many for a job..I also don't think anyone would have a leg to stand on claiming discrimination either.

True it may not have a bearing on how well she could do a job but on the other hand someone who mutilates their body that many times might just have some issues that may lead to depression.Any hint of such a condition can make a would be employer shy away very quickly.

I think she has made her self unemployable and insisting that she can't remove any of the facial ones indicates that she isn't really taking on board what potential employers may be looking for.

Gary L · 27-09-2010, 23:00

What if she's the sweetest and kindest person you'll ever meet?
would you blame it on "it's not me, I like her. it's my customers. they can be a bit funny and think the worse in people" ?

or would you be honest and say what you really mean?

saying that. you can't risk her wanting to top herself in the workplace.

Caff · 27-09-2010, 23:01

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

20 body piercings? Seems excessive..maybe even smacks of obsessive.

One,two,three perhaps but that many would make me pause and wonder when considering someone with that many for a job..I also don't think anyone would have a leg to stand on claiming discrimination either.

True it may not have a bearing on how well she could do a job but on the other hand someone who mutilates their body that many times might just have some issues that may lead to depression.Any hint of such a condition can make a would be employer shy away very quickly.

I think she has made her self unemployable and insisting that she can't remove any of the facial ones indicates that she isn't really taking on board what potential employers may be looking for.

I think she wants to stand out from the crowd - but in a working environment - what else can she offer?
Oh! - and I agree

Gary L · 27-09-2010, 23:07

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Originally Posted by Caff

but in a working environment

What's so special about the working environment?

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what else can she offer?

Absolutely nothing.

27-09-2010, 23:07

just a small input to the thread, hopefully to give some perspective..

I was talking to someone who visited a food factory in Vietnam, recently - they weren't allowed into the production area until their finger nails had been trimmed.

- on the second visit, a few months later, the same person cut her finger nails before the visit, in anticipation.

- but the factory still insisted on trimming them, again, before allowing her in the production area.

NO jewellery of any kind was allowed, rings, earrings, piercings, etc were specifically forbidden.

- if you wanted a job at the factory, you complied with their standards, no arguments. There were always (several) people willing to comply, if you didn't...

Now I'm not suggesting this is necessarily an universal scenario - but it does illustrate that in an area where getting a job is subject to intense competition, compromises may have to be made..

**Hugh** · 27-09-2010, 23:10

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Originally Posted by Gary L

What if she's the sweetest and kindest person you'll ever meet?

What if she's a mass-murderer? One can "what if" all one wants to support a scenario, it doesn't make it true.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

would you blame it on "it's not me, I like her. it's my customers. they can be a bit funny and think the worse in people" ?

or would you be honest and say what you really mean?

What does he really mean?

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Originally Posted by Gary L

saying that. you can't risk her wanting to top herself in the workplace.

Why do you think she would want to do that?

Caff · 27-09-2010, 23:11

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Originally Posted by Gary L

What if she's the sweetest and kindest person you'll ever meet?
would you blame it on "it's not me, I like her. it's my customers. they can be a bit funny and think the worse in people" ?

On first appearances... I don't doubt that she may be the sweetest and kindest person I could ever meet - but I don't think that I'd push the reason to even have a chat except for general interest or... unless she plumped herself in my kitchen.

People can glance at someone for 5 seconds and know more gut instincts - to get to know them better is your choice and holds whatever is in store
and if you plain dont want to know then you don't.

I keep thinking that the interviewer reacted in a way she might understand and for some reason it got into the papers

**Chris** · 27-09-2010, 23:11

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Originally Posted by Gary L

That's not very nice calling her stroppy. you read how upset she was. you've made up your mind based on her looks. are you any better?

I don't mean better in you looking better than her. I mean better in discrimination. be that looks, colour or race.

Every job interview is an exercise in discrimination. The act of choosing between one person and another is by its very definition an act of discriminating between them. We all know this, and we all know personal presentation is important. That's why we put on a suit and polish our shoes.

I can wear whatever I like when working at my own desk, because I work from home. But if I go out to meet a customer I have to be able to dress appropriately for that situation and dressing appropriately is as much about what I don't wear as what I do.

The problem with body 'art' and piercings is, you can't always easily hide them or take them off. That's why they are problematic to so many employers. The girl in the article can put on a suit but she can't hide what she's done to her face. Any potential employer will see her as someone who sees her own personal body image and need for self-expression as more important than the ability to present herself in the way that might be appropriate in any particular situation.

She does of course have the right to do that to herself. But she shouldn't be surprised if other people use what she has done to herself as a factor when evaluating her during a job interview.

Gary L · 27-09-2010, 23:14

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Originally Posted by Hugh

What does he really mean?

That it's him that doesn't like her based on her looks.

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Why do you think she would want to do that?

Because she looks like she has issues and suffers from depression.

27-09-2010, 23:17

This all reminds me of Pulp Fiction

The scene where he meets the drug dealers mrs and says something along the lines of -

'Who is the girl with all the (word i cannot say on a family forum but can say crap even though it means the same thing) in her face?'

'Oh, that's my wife.'

Lol worthy, I mean seriously, would you even dream of turning up to an interview like that? Come on!

Ramrod · 28-09-2010, 09:00

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Originally Posted by Gary L

does anyone know what work she's looking for?

Well since she's wondering around looking like that.....I'm guessing 'none'

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Originally Posted by Chris

She does of course have the right to do that to herself. But she shouldn't be surprised if other people use what she has done to herself as a factor when evaluating her during a job interview.

Exactly

It looks to me like she has made herself unemployable. I'm aggrieved that the taxpayer has to then fund such a persons existence.
Take it back to our hunter gatherer past. A hunter could, if he or she chose, wear bells around their wrists and ankles (a legitimate expression of their personality you may say) but then they wouldn't catch any game and would go hungry-tough luck! Fast forward 5000 years......we have a similar situation in a technological society and yet we are now expected to give the idiot in question a free lunch. Marvellous!

roger skillin · 28-09-2010, 09:16

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

facial tattoo's are part of some peoples culture ,as are ear piercings /neck stretching etc ,i would suggest that if the interviewer can't see beyond the piercings/tatts etc then they are in the wrong job .

????? What you on about, it's nothing to do with a culture lol

Kymmy · 28-09-2010, 09:27

One thing picked up here is that she's restricting her job prospects by having such piercings/tattoos and as such has made herself unemployable...

I find that attitude quite pathetic... Have the piercings reduced her IQ?? Have they disabled her movements in any way?? Have they restricted her communting ability?? Do they stop her communicating with others??

In other words should the tattoos or piercings matter.. Just the same as color of your skin/hair, racial background, sexual preference and religion shouldn't matter...

**Chris** · 28-09-2010, 09:33

You're conflating what should be with what is.

I could jump up and down and scream until I'm blue in the face about how much I'd love to be able to turn up at a client meeting in my comfy tee-shirt, combats and Merrells, but it won't make a scrap of difference. The shared, agreed values of the business community demand a certain dress code. If I want their business, I show respect for their wishes in this regard.

Simples.