The Pope Thread [UK visit 2010 - merged]

While i get what your saying i unlike his holiness has better faith in people then to suggest that just because a person may belong or subscibe to one ideology or another that it doesn't change the base principles of who that person is. Most of the catholics i know have been the loudest in condemning the church over the whole paedophile saga and they want answers and action every bit as much as me. The day when the pope was the be all and end all is long gone and catholics exercise their right to be individuals of a certain belief rather then just automatons to the will of the church or the pope and if that single alteration in the actions of the church is not heeded it will doom itself.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Let him come let him go and encourage at every opportunity him to speak because as soon as he does he gets on the wrong side of so many it's unreal. This is an out of date man heading an out of date organisation and unless the latter changes it will not last. If not believing in god makes me a nazi in his eyes so be it my personal conduct over my life has been better then that of many of his priests so what does that make them your holiness.

Well said sir

[danielf]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

according to the beeb -6 people detained -3 premisses searched -nothing found -is it possible i wonder if these people really are just street cleaners .

It certainly looks like that...

The six - who work as street cleaners in Westminster - were arrested after they were overheard in the works canteen apparently plotting an attack.

The Metropolitan Police has refused to confirm reports that the men were joking, saying they had to investigate what might have been a genuine threat.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11359756

Bloody foreigners. Coming over here to clean our streets whilst having a laugh

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by danielf

It certainly looks like that...



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11359756

Bloody foreigners. Coming over here to clean our streets whilst having a laugh

Its just been announced on the news that all six "suspects" have been released without charge.

[BBKing]

It certainly looks like that...

What, the Met anti-terror boys know a good Muslim arrest story comes in handy when there are cuts on the way? Fancy that.

I wonder if the Mail/Express will be apologising. Actually, I wonder when the local Islamophobes on here will stand up and defend the right to have a joke in a cafe in 'free' Britain.

Originally Posted by danielf

It certainly looks like that...



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11359756

Bloody foreigners. Coming over here to clean our streets whilst having a laugh

So Britain really is a Nazi hellhole after all. We'd all better watch what we say from now on, you never know which of your neighbours might go scurrying to the secret police. You wouldn't want to 'disappear' into Paddington Green nick, would you ...

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Chris

So Britain really is a Nazi hellhole after all.

It's all them extreme Atheists I tells you. Trying to protect the Pope and what's not.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by danielf

Bloody foreigners. Coming over here to clean our streets whilst having a laugh

To be fair to the Police can you imagine the outcry if the pope did get blown up and it was discovered that they ignored a potential threat because they thought it was a joke?

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Derek

To be fair to the Police can you imagine the outcry if the pope did get blown up and it was discovered that they ignored a potential threat because they thought it was a joke?

Oh yes. It's a difficult one. They can't afford to let one slip, so it stands to reason to err on the side of caution. It's a sad state of affairs though.

[papa smurf]

what the secular society makes of the popes visit


Nailing the Pope’s lies

By Terry Sanderson

As expected, the fawning British media is giving the pope a very easy ride, despite a string of ridiculous and untrue claims in his speeches.

First off he declares himself “shocked� by the child abuse scandal, as though this is the first he has heard of it. The press swallow this little exaggeration whole. Ratzinger has known about the priestly abuse of children for thirty years, since he became Prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith which oversees priestly discipline.

He demanded, in a letter to every bishop in the world, that all cases of priestly molestation of children should be reported not to the criminal authorities but to the Vatican directly, and all efforts must be made to keep it quiet.

Now he rewrites history to give the impression he knew nothing about it, even though several cases of cover up have been traced directly to his door and the press unquestioningly print this lie.

Then he launches an attack on ‘aggressive secularism’. Nowadays it seems secularism cannot be mentioned without a pejorative adjective being added. This neatly sidesteps the need to engage in any sort of debate about it.

But the British people have little to do with religion, they stay away from churches, they don’t heed church teachings and they gain great pleasure from slamming the door in the face of doorstepping preachers who try to tell them how to live their lives.

This independence of mind is something to celebrate. It demonstrates a healthy lack of respect for self-appointed “faith leaders� who want to mould us to their own image. The British people have embraced a secular way of life, and the country is all the better for it.

After all, wasn’t it Britain that was singled out for praise from the United Nations for its generous and timely response to the Pakistani floods last month? Were we not named as the people most willing to help? That’s how evil a secular outlook is. (By the way, what was the contribution of the Vatican “state� to this disaster relief fund?)

And then we have Ratzinger’s suggestion that the rise of atheism opens the door to the return of the Nazis. Only the Catholic Church can save us from such a fate.

Again, Ratzinger re-writes history. Look at this damning election poster from the era of the Third Reich and then tell me again that the Catholic Church will defend us from evil atheistic Nazis.

The fawning media has done this country a disservice. The BBC has tried to convince us that the papal trip has been a great success. But the truth is very different. Compare the two pictures below which say more than a thousand words or a dozen opinion polls can about the comprehensive rejection of religion that has taken place in Britain over the past 30 years.

http://www.secularism.org.uk/nailing...opes-lies.html

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Compare the two pictures below which say more than a thousand words or a dozen opinion polls can about the comprehensive rejection of religion that has taken place in Britain over the past 30 years.

I agree with that. I think a lot of it is the paedophilia within the church that has done the damage. they'd be the last people you'd think would do such a thing. and because they have and do it's quite shocking.

Not that it has or it will happen, but can you imagine people screaming at the pope or his men saying "get away from my child you pervert!" it'll be a sad day for mankind if it ever came to that.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

To me The Pope has apologised for what has happened in the Catholic Church, what l think should happen as that other churches should look in the own back garden, when l was a young church goer, many years ago, l got abused as a kid, but you cannot change life, the church are very good at covering up these things, the guy has gone upstairs now, but you cannot get back those terrible years, so just forget it, thats my view.

The only person who knew was my wife, What has to happen is that you cannot change life, and convict them for what, 5 years behind bars, you have to get on with life and prevent it happening to anyone else.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

To me The Pope has apologised for what has happened in the Catholic Church, what l think should happen as that other churches should look in the own back garden, when l was a young church goer, many years ago, l got abused as a kid, but you cannot change life, the church are very good at covering up these things, the guy has gone upstairs now, but you cannot get back those terrible years, so just forget it, thats my view.

The only person who knew was my wife, What has to happen is that you cannot change life, and convict them for what, 5 years behind bars, you have to get on with life and prevent it happening to anyone else.

i assume you mean Heaven ,strange rout for an abuser to take .

how do you prevent it from happening again? if you don't speak out and get them convicted they just move on to their next victim.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i assume you mean Heaven ,strange rout for an abuser to take .

That's an interesting question. do those priests go to heaven. should they go to heaven? or do they only go because they believed in God during the abuse?

been discussing this with others. did the abusers think that it was ok to abuse the children whilst 'working' for God? do they still expect to go to heaven when they know that God is watching?

there were cases where their victims were threatened with not going to heaven if they didn't allow the abuse to take place.

which in itself makes a mockery of actually telling people that they have sinned for other reasons.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Gary L

That's an interesting question. do those priests go to heaven. should they go to heaven? or do they only go because they believed in God during the abuse?

been discussing this with others. did the abusers think that it was ok to abuse the children whilst 'working' for God? do they still expect to go to heaven when they know that God is watching?

there were cases where their victims were threatened with not going to heaven if they didn't allow the abuse to take place.

which in itself makes a mockery of actually telling people that they have sinned for other reasons.

well they obviously see no wrong in what there doing ,its been going on for long enough ,and just treat as a sin and sins can be forgiven and forgiven and forgiven.

im now wondering how much this visit has cost me as a tax payer and did i get anything out of the popes visit apart from an insult about atheists and a jibe about Nazism which was priceless .