Britain goes halal

papa smurf · 19-09-2010, 08:45

Britain goes halal... but no-one tells the public: How famous institutions serve ritually slaughtered meat with no warning

Animal welfare campaigners have long called for a ban on the traditional Islamic way of preparing meat â€“ which involves killing animals by drawing a knife across their throats, without stunning them first â€“ saying it is cruel and causes unnecessary pain.
Sharia law expressly forbids knocking the animal out with a bolt gun, as is usual in British slaughter houses. Instead, it must be sentient when its throat is cut, and the blood allowed to drip from the carcass while a religious phrase in praise of Allah is recited.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0zxVnhtna

sneaky or what
as an animal lover i find this disturbing as i would never go out of my way to buy something that had been slaughtered in this manor .
it seems deceitful to say the least ,i expect better treatment of live stock in the uk .

Russ · 19-09-2010, 08:50

Oh look another thinly-veiled Muslim bashing thread inspired by a low-level story in the Mail.

I suspect those claiming to be 'mortified' from an animal-cruelty point of view would somehow be less mortified if the halal method of food preparation was nothing to do with Islam.

**Chris** · 19-09-2010, 08:52

You're on a slippery slope there PS, unless you have gone out of your way to satisfy yourself that every animal you consume in food and clothing has received the best of treatment, including in the way its life was ended in order to make yours more comfortable.

Anyway, if you don't like the way cows are slaughtered in this manor, you can always go and buy them from the next one.

papa smurf · 19-09-2010, 09:01

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Originally Posted by Chris

You're on a slippery slope there PS, unless you have gone out of your way to satisfy yourself that every animal you consume in food and clothing has received the best of treatment, including in the way its life was ended in order to make yours more comfortable.

Anyway, if you don't like the way cows are slaughtered in this manor, you can always go and buy them from the next one.

i think we need some kind of labelling introduced so those of use who care can see at a glance how this animal met its end .

colin25 · 19-09-2010, 09:06

Personally..I don't want to know..I know I won't like it..but could equally get quesy thinking about all other forms of food..and how it is served (seen some yucky things being done in kitchens)

I prefer the Harry Potter method of cooking..done by magical fairies

**Chris** · 19-09-2010, 09:06

Labelling is a good idea. As Muslims also care how their meat met its end I suspect many would like to see that too.

Peter_ · 19-09-2010, 09:11

Once again the Daily Fail tries to dish up the dirt and fails again miserably, the is no way that abbatoirs are going to follow this way of slaughtering animals as the cost would impact on profit and all the slaughtermen would have to be muslim otherwise they could not claim that the meat was halal.

An abject FAIL on behalf of the Daily Fail.

papa smurf · 19-09-2010, 09:36

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Originally Posted by Chris

Labelling is a good idea. As Muslims also care how their meat met its end I suspect many would like to see that too.

totally agree -and i wouldn't want to inflict my animal welfare ideals on others it there choice and out of my control.[i think the RSPA are doing a good job fighting the welfare cause ]
and of course it would help muslims identify the food of there choice, while helping myself and other animal lovers avoid food that met its end in a manor we do not approve of .
i would of course back a campaign to introduce new laws that assure good animal welfare through the democratic process , but democracy can swing in any direction and the opposing view point could win the day ,so it would be back to the old conscience to guide me

Lew · 19-09-2010, 09:38

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Originally Posted by Russ

Oh look another thinly-veiled Muslim bashing thread inspired by a low-level story in the Mail.

I suspect those claiming to be 'mortified' from an animal-cruelty point of view would somehow be less mortified if the halal method of food preparation was nothing to do with Islam.

I don't see many stories decrying the evil Jews with their inhumane Kosher slaughter laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic...ared#Slaughter

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Both shechita and dhabiĥa involve cutting across the neck of the animal with a non-serrated blade in one clean attempt in order to sever the main blood vessels.
Both require that the spinal cord be avoided during slaughter.
Both require draining the blood of the animal.

Sirius · 19-09-2010, 09:44

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Originally Posted by Lew

I don't see many stories decrying the evil Jews with their inhumane Kosher slaughter laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic...ared#Slaughter

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But you see no matter how you spell Jew it does not turn into Muslim

The likes of the daily mail has not managed it yet

**Chris** · 19-09-2010, 09:45

I'd also be curious to know whether PS has ever eaten in a curry house ... given that there's a reasonable chance that the owner is a Muslim and uses halal meat in his dishes.

Russ · 19-09-2010, 09:49

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Originally Posted by Chris

I'd also be curious to know whether PS has ever eaten in a curry house ... given that there's a reasonable chance that the owner is a Muslim and uses halal meat in his dishes.

And I'd suggest there's an even more reason chance that many a CF member's jaw just dropped at that shocking revelation

Derek · 19-09-2010, 09:56

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

as an animal lover i find this disturbing as i would never go out of my way to buy something that had been slaughtered in this manor .
it seems deceitful to say the least ,i expect better treatment of live stock in the uk .

There was a documentary on a while back about slaughterhouses and how people weren't aware of what went into food etc.

One of the things they did was go to a 'proper' slaughterhouse and a halal one.

It's entirely possible it was set up for TV but the slaughter-man in the halal place showed far more compassion and care for the animals than the ones in the regular abbatior.

**Chris** · 19-09-2010, 10:00

This is unsurprising - the 'proper' abbatoir is a food factory and the animals are the ingredients. Any religiously-inspired slaughter process carries with it the idea that the animal is part of God's creation and must be treated with respect as a result.

papa smurf · 19-09-2010, 10:05

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Originally Posted by Chris

I'd also be curious to know whether PS has ever eaten in a curry house ... given that there's a reasonable chance that the owner is a Muslim and uses halal meat in his dishes.

love curry Chris - and i had worked out for myself that the owner may or may not be a muslim .

that brings me back to labels and signs re HalHal

and not all Indians are Muslim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_India

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Originally Posted by Chris

This is unsurprising - the 'proper' abbatoir is a food factory and the animals are the ingredients. Any religiously-inspired slaughter process carries with it the idea that the animal is part of God's creation and must be treated with respect as a result.

of course it does Chris , oh how neatly that fits in with religious slaughter i feel so comforted by that revelation