The Pope Thread [UK visit 2010 - merged]

[papa smurf]

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north Africans coming over here threatening our pope

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I'll help you out a bit.



Ignore the senile red shoes.

The red shoes are a traditional part of the Popes attire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_shoes

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Originally Posted by papa smurf
never mind him what's that geezer next to him come as ???

Think you will find the guy on the left of the photo is part of the Swiss Guard who Police the Vatican City. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Guard


So don't take the pee if you don't understand or know what something is for!

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

Having listened to that speech in full, as it was made, I think the accent was on extremism rather than Nazism. He used that as it's an obvious example from his own personal experience. Believe me, I'm no fan of the office held by Joseph Ratzinger, but fair's fair, when it comes to Nazis he knows what he's talking about (and no, I'm not poking fun at his membership of the Hitler Youth, quite the opposite).

It so happens that Nazi extremism was fuelled by an extremist atheistic worldview. What would be more interesting would be an acknowledgement from Herr Ratzinger of the pain caused by Romish extremism, such as the Inquisition (whose successor organisation he was head of prior to being elected to the office of Bishop of Rome).

Good points up until the Inquisition bit, I recently read/heard a piece saying that The Inquisition actually stopped a lot of the vigilante justice meated out at the time, that fewer than 1% of trials resulted in death or torture and in many cases they ordered more lenient sentences than the normal secular courts would have.

Trouble is with this subject that decent figures and statistics are hard to come by, what isn't in doubt is that the figures of 9 - 40 millions plus deaths at the Inquisitions hands are ludicrously wide of the mark. Not that I am in any way excusing their actions after all love and forgiveness are at the heart of their doctorine.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Chris

Having listened to that speech in full, as it was made, I think the accent was on extremism rather than Nazism. He used that as it's an obvious example from his own personal experience. Believe me, I'm no fan of the office held by Joseph Ratzinger, but fair's fair, when it comes to Nazis he knows what he's talking about (and no, I'm not poking fun at his membership of the Hitler Youth, quite the opposite).

Possibly. That doesn't make it a particular smart thing to say. I posted about the outcry over Redinger's remarks earlier for a reason. What the Pope said isn't that far removed from what Reding said. Reding didn't say the French were Nazis either. From memory, She said something along the lines of: I'd have thought this type of thing wouldn't happen after WW2. The French were up in arms about that. But when it comes from the Pope it's ok?

It appears that this Pope, being the academic that he is, has a knack for being completely oblivious about how his theoretical/theological reasoning will be understood outside the narrow confines of academia. That's not just my personal opinion, I've heard it said several times on a catholic radio show that I happen to catch once in a while.

It so happens that Nazi extremism was fuelled by an extremist atheistic worldview. What would be more interesting would be an acknowledgement from Herr Ratzinger of the pain caused by Romish extremism, such as the Inquisition (whose successor organisation he was head of prior to being elected to the office of Bishop of Rome).

If memory serves me correctly, the Vatican wasn't exactly outspoken in its condemnation of the Nazi regime either? It seems a bit rich to claim the moral high ground in this respect, as the theist/catholic morals apparently didn't make them take a stand against the Nazis either?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by danielf

If memory serves me correctly, the Vatican wasn't exactly outspoken in its condemnation of the Nazi regime either? It seems a bit rich to claim the moral high ground in this respect, as the theist/catholic morals apparently didn't make them take a stand against the Nazis either?

Pius didn't speak out with good reason, he helped save nearly a million Jews, any out burst would have put paid to that and made conditions in the camps worse. Pre war he wasn't quiet though, I seem to remember a Palm Sunday message in the late 1930's denouncing all acts of anti semitism.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Pius didn't speak out with good reason, he helped save nearly a million Jews, any out burst would have put paid to that and made conditions in the camps worse. Pre war he wasn't quiet though, I seem to remember a Palm Sunday message in the late 1930's denouncing all acts of anti semitism.

To be honest, it's not something I've studied. Just a few snippets I've caught over the years. Anyhow: back to Herr Ratzinger: he didn't seem too concerned about pardoning a holocaust denying bishop. Yes. That clearly is the right thing to do for a man of proper moral fiber.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Think you will find the guy on the left of the photo is part of the Swiss Guard who Police the Vatican City. !

I went to the Vatican on a tour of Italy (1st honeymoon), and yeah the guards do look funny but their walk is great, very Monty Pythonesque. If they came after me I wouldn't know whether to run or laugh. Amazing place though.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Stephen

So don't take the pee if you don't understand or know what something is for!

Unless you're my dad. I'll take the pee out of whoever, and whatever I like.

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Originally Posted by Stephen

IMO you are talking total nonsense there! He is wearing white as its tradional dress within the Catholic church.

All the priests that were at the mass yesterday were also wearing white.

I haven't disputed otherwise. I said that because he's in white people may look at him as being special. compared to him not wearing it and wearing a suit, and not looking special.

[wwe]

the pope seems to be having a good time here. busy man

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by Stephen

IMO you are talking total nonsense there! He is wearing white as its tradional dress within the Catholic church.

All the priests that were at the mass yesterday were also wearing white.

tee hee hee - he wears a dress!! pffff! lol!

Originally Posted by Gary L

Unless you're my dad. I'll take the pee out of whoever, and whatever I like.

Unless you want to lose your membership, no you will not.

[idi banashapan]

let's be honest, the shoes really don't go though - traditional dress or not. if the belt were also red to give a bit more accent, it might work better.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have our very first celebrity poster.

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Originally Posted by idi banashapan

let's be honest, the shoes really don't go though - traditional dress or not. if the belt were also red to give a bit more accent, it might work better.

I thought the shoes were for contrast, rather than to complement the vestments.

I also thought they went with his eyes.

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by Chris

Ladies and gentlemen, we have our very first celebrity poster.

lol - quick!! nice one!

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

I also thought they went with his eyes.

ha ha ha ha!!!

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