France expels its gypsies - Page 5

**Maggy** · 15-09-2010, 09:37

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Originally Posted by PeteL

france are in a position to tell the eu to do one, after all france britain and germany are the eu the rest of the countrys are leeches

Actually we aren't that important in the EU.Mind the EU is getting bigger so France can't bully the rest as much as she used to.

PeteLockwood · 15-09-2010, 09:40

we are important maybe not for political purposes but they certainly need our money to waste..

personally i think france have good this right, it is there country they have a right to protect them, there finances and there people

nomadking · 15-09-2010, 09:46

Isn't this just like an ASBO or restraining order but covering a larger area?

PeteLockwood · 15-09-2010, 09:49

good point, could be conceived as that

**Maggy** · 15-09-2010, 09:51

But with a very large fine attached.I'm sure the Taxpayers in France won't be impressed.

PeteLockwood · 15-09-2010, 09:54

maybe not about a fine but they are hardly rallying up trying to stop the deportation ?

**Maggy** · 15-09-2010, 10:08

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Originally Posted by PeteL

maybe not about a fine but they are hardly rallying up trying to stop the deportation ?

Well we will see won't we..Maybe someone will be taking the French government to the Court of Human Rights over the matter? It depends on how much will there is among the various members..

**Hugh** · 15-09-2010, 10:08

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Originally Posted by PeteL

maybe not about a fine but they are hardly rallying up trying to stop the deportation ?

Some are.....

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Thousands of people all over France marched to protest at expulsions of gypsies and other security measures adopted by President Nicolas Sarkozyâ€™s government.

Protesters blew whistles and beat drums in Paris, the largest demonstration among those in at least 135 cities and towns and elsewhere in Europe yesterday

PeteLockwood · 15-09-2010, 10:15

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well we will see won't we..Maybe someone will be taking the French government to the Court of Human Rights over the matter? It depends on how much will there is among the various members..

but how is it a breach of human rights ? am i the only person who thinks the french government is doing the right thing in protecting there own citizens first ?

**Hugh** · 15-09-2010, 10:20

There's the rub - you either think Human Rights are conditional or universal.

PeteLockwood · 15-09-2010, 10:29

what about the french citizen's human rights ? surely they dont want the eye-sore or financial burden of them ?

if they are so concerned about there human rights why would they not stay where they was wanted ?

**Hugh** · 15-09-2010, 10:40

Sorry, Pete, didn't understand that last sentence (did you mean to say "why would they stay where they were not wanted?")

Osem · 15-09-2010, 10:48

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Originally Posted by PeteL

what about the french citizen's human rights ? surely they dont want the eye-sore or financial burden of them ?

if they are so concerned about there human rights why would they not stay where they was wanted ?

There really don't seem to be that many places where Roma are wanted. Overt prejudice against them is rife in many parts of E. Europe. We know plenty of people from that part of the world and almost without exception they have nothing but dislike for these people.

PeteLockwood · 15-09-2010, 10:50

i mean to say why didn't they stay wherever they originated they must of known they would have been controversial ?

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Originally Posted by Osem

There really don't seem to be that many places where Roma are wanted. Overt prejudice against them is rife in many parts of E. Europe. We know plenty of people from that part of the world and almost without exception they have nothing but dislike for these people.

perhaps they should work on improving there image amongst these same people ? they could start with changing their way of life that would go a long way

Osem · 15-09-2010, 10:54

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Originally Posted by PeteL

i mean to say why didn't they stay wherever they originated they must of known they would have been controversial ?

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perhaps they should work on improving there image amongst these same people ? they could start with changing their way of life that would go a long way

Which is why I posed the question earlier in this thread:

"...are these people so disliked because they're troublemakers or are they troublemakers because they're so disliked?.."

I've yet to hear a convincing argument either way but suspect that as with all communities it's the activities of a proportion which can create trouble for the rest and it's a cycle which feeds on itself. We've certainly come across Roma in Slovakia who've been doing their best to fit in with society in general but the odds are stacked up against them. The truth is that distrust and hatred towards one group simply begets the same in return.