Hampshire police force shedding 1400 staff

[Pog66]

....don't t ypu all realise that the 13 years prior to May were all wonderful & tickety-boo and totally turned the country round after the nasty Maggie n John years. It's all gone totally to put since Dastardly Dave & nasty Nick took over in May....

I think Arthur's got the new selective reading syndrome as well as selective hearing and that old condition I call selective understanding syndrome.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I watched a prog tonight, and the kick back of these cutback will be bad, and yet we have members saying where is this money coming from, I would rather a country that can generate work, and not cripple it.

I believe that that's an experiment which has been tried in a few different places and failed every time, Cuba being the most recent example.

Which part of this don't you understand?

Labour's public sector enlargement is unfunded and was based on an incorrect assumption that the economy would constantly grow. It has to be rolled back else we go into deeper debt. We go into deeper debt we end up paying more interest and having our credit rating dropped which increases the interest rate even higher. Paying more interest means we have to either increase taxes in order to maintain the level of services or cut those services. If we increase taxes too much tax receipts overall will drop as people avoid paying them, lose their jobs due to companies being unable to afford them or relocating and various other factors.

I would rather a country that empowers citizens and companies to generate work within the private sector rather than crippling them by trying to keep people in work employing them itself and taxing those it doesn't employ senseless to do so.

I realise this is a bizarre concept to some, the idea of government helping people to be the solution rather than trying to do everything itself with their money but that's how it's supposed to be in an economy such as ours. The Left wants to change this but they keep forgetting to tell people exactly how it's supposed to be paid for.

Hmm, I know it won't work & I'm being naiive, but after reading the 'football' thread it struck me that we are happy to pay for sportsmen/women to earn £50,000 a week, but seem to baulk at paying £50,000 a year for a Police Officer.

- if the 75,000 people who attended the match in Manchester, earlier, were prepared to sponsor a Police Officer, instead of one of the players, they would, theoretically get 52 times more value for money ...

Cut the football players wages, factoring in the Sky Sports subscriptions, etc, & we could possibly fund a viable police force

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by gazfan

Hmm, I know it won't work & I'm being naiive, but after reading the 'football' thread it struck me that we are happy to pay for sportsmen/women to earn £50,000 a week, but seem to baulk at paying £50,000 a year for a Police Officer.

- if the 75,000 people who attended the match in Manchester, earlier, were prepared to sponsor a Police Officer, instead of one of the players, they would, theoretically get 52 times more value for money ...

Cut the football players wages, factoring in the Sky Sports subscriptions, etc, & we could possibly fund a viable police force

Do we get to follow them around for 90 minutes a week for entertainment purposes?

[Lew]

Originally Posted by gazzae

Do we get to follow them around for 90 minutes a week for entertainment purposes?

Have you never watched Road Wars, Night Cops, Street Crime UK etc?

[PeteLockwood]

Originally Posted by gazfan

Cut the football players wages, factoring in the Sky Sports subscriptions, etc, & we could possibly fund a viable police force

yes, good idea, cut the football players wages e.g. yaya toure £220k of city i mean he only pays over 100k a week in taxes he SINGLE handedly pays for 200 cops on 25k a year.... might be a ridiculous wage but they do pay tax you know...

Originally Posted by PeteL

yes, good idea, cut the football players wages e.g. yaya toure £220k of city i mean he only pays over 100k a week in taxes he SINGLE handedly pays for 200 cops on 25k a year.... might be a ridiculous wage but they do pay tax you know...

You may wish to investigate that a bit further, re dividends, deferred payments, interest-free loans, offshore trusts, offshore property portfolios, etc.....

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First, let’s look at the raw commercial considerations for the PL player faced with an approaching increase in tax. The wealthiest of players will already have professional advice on multiple tax avoidance measures. Many will not be paying the current top rate of 40 per cent income tax, let alone be planning to pay 50 per cent. This advice, whilst expensive, will have enabled the PL player to circumvent and tolerate such a punishing tax climate. Astute advisors are working on all kinds of new schemes too.

One such scheme, mooted already and being considered by some players, could see some clubs paying part of the player’s salary in the form of an interest-free loan. As HMRC only taxes 5 per cent of the amount borrowed, this will greatly reduce the tax charge to the player and will allow the club an opportunity to cancel the loan as and when the tax rate is reduced, which is the assumption (albeit risky) of what would happen, long-term, under a Conservative government. Similar measures have been considered by City bankers determined to escape the government’s “super tax”.

Not just the evil bankers who try to avoid (not evade) tax, you know....

[PeteLockwood]

i heard about this however it will get stopped and people will get fined (i should hope)

[Ignitionnet]

Hey Arthur, you do know that New York cut crime while simultaneously reducing the size of the police force, or that all these cuts along with the wider ones will do is reduce the size of the public sector to around 2006 proportions?

Now correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the sky wasn't falling and criminals weren't patrolling the streets randomly killing and maiming during the last decade.

It's simple really, if the police do as the Home Secretary has requested and stop the obsession with community PR and targets all will be fine. They are, however, openly defying this at this time through things like renaming these rating schemes and reinventing them. At some point they became so busy trying to do paperwork that they apparently are struggling with the addiction - bloated public sector bureaucracy at its' finest and one of Labour's worst legacies throughout the sector..

But no need to listen to me - http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com...-they-know-it/ http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/the-naughty-step/

[PeteLockwood]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Now correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the sky wasn't falling and criminals weren't patrolling the streets randomly killing and maiming during the last decade.

you are wrong ignition! they are already roaming the streets and killing random people just because they are expecting cuts haha