All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down

[joglynne]

Originally Posted by vanman

hope it,s long term here is the job

Sounds good vanman. It's good to know VM are making a bigger effort to collect the old kit. Though I wish they had started doing this earlier and you would have already been doing collections when the boxes were being used unlawfully.

[vanman]

Originally Posted by joglynne

Sounds good vanman. It's good to know VM are making a bigger effort to collect the old kit. Though I wish they had started doing this earlier and you would have already been doing collections when the boxes were being used unlawfully.

lot of people still think, they own the boxes have to show them the small print

[TheDon]

Originally Posted by Masque

You can close this thread as everyone is now aware that the card swaps are actually working and illegal boxes are now no longer working in the card swap are

But that's not true is it.

There are still types of illegal boxes that work in card swapped areas. To ignore them is pretty foolish imo.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by TheDon

But that's not true is it.

There are still types of illegal boxes that work in card swapped areas. To ignore them is pretty foolish imo.

As most of the old boxes disappear it will be a lot easier to spot an illegal box on the network.

So I rather doubt they will be ignored once all areas are finished.

[joglynne]

Originally Posted by TheDon

But that's not true is it.

There are still types of illegal boxes that work in card swapped areas. To ignore them is pretty foolish imo.

I agree but this thread is about boxes previously being used to specifically get around VM encryption rather than the method you mention which is an entirely different issue needing the use of different methods by VM to combat. Maybe a new thread could be set up if it could avoid breaking the forums T & C.

[Kymmy]

CS has been discussed a lot in the nagra 3 threads, try the search function

[RobboEdin]

Originally Posted by Masque

As most of the old boxes disappear it will be a lot easier to spot an illegal box on the network.

So I rather doubt they will be ignored once all areas are finished.

I would rather that you are telling me that Virgin Media WILL be going after both those cardsharing and misusing multiroom boxes. I suspect that this is a lot easier and cheaper to do than changing all of your cards.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by RobboEdin

I would rather that you are telling me that Virgin Media WILL be going after both those cardsharing and misusing multiroom boxes. I suspect that this is a lot easier and cheaper to do than changing all of your cards.

The system can see which boxes have the new cards so any box that is not paired with a NAGRA3 card will be so much easier to see amongst al the legit ones which will make them traceable and the properties liable to have their taps disconnected.

[RobboEdin]

Originally Posted by Masque

The system can see which boxes have the new cards so any box that is not paired with a NAGRA3 card will be so much easier to see amongst al the legit ones which will make them traceable and the properties liable to have their taps disconnected.

Excellent.

[krazy]

card message showing on boxes in belfast

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by krazy

card message showing on boxes in belfast

Probably start dropping on mats from Tuesday.

[TheDon]

Originally Posted by Masque

The system can see which boxes have the new cards so any box that is not paired with a NAGRA3 card will be so much easier to see amongst al the legit ones which will make them traceable and the properties liable to have their taps disconnected.

The system can't see a box that isn't talking back though, only official boxes.

The old minimum sub keeps the tap connected, and the boxes are impossible to detect unless you do a physical sweep cabinet by cabinet looking for noise, which would still be very hit and miss.

You have far too much faith in the ability of the system to detect 3rd party boxes, after all if it could detect them then it would be trivial to find them regardless of n3. You'd just have to compare the detected boxes with the currently subbed addresses, a process that can be completely automated and done extremely easily.

There is simply no way to detect a cs box, and the only cs servers that will ever be shut down are the commercial ones. Cs has been going on for years on other platforms and it's always resisted any effort to shut it off, even sky haven't managed to beat cs and they have arguably the best encryption going.

There is currently no way for VM to prevent theft of service completely, they've gone a long way to greatly reducing the volume of it, but it's not going to stop completely, and anyone that thinks it is is extremely naive.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by TheDon

There is currently no way for VM to prevent theft of service completely, they've gone a long way to greatly reducing the volume of it, but it's not going to stop completely, and anyone that thinks it is is extremely naive.

What it has done is reduce the impact. No longer will complete noobs who need to be spoon fed everything be able to buy a box at the local computer fair and just plug it in. As far as the commercial servers i feel they will be hunted down. It does not take a lot for VM to packet sniff for the information via one of there DPI boxes, The data being transmitted back and forth will have a unique packet structure and that can be sniffed i am sure..

[pabloo]

Originally Posted by Sirius

What it has done is reduce the impact. No longer will complete noobs who need to be spoon fed everything be able to buy a box at the local computer fair and just plug it in. As far as the commercial servers i feel they will be hunted down. It does not take a lot for VM to packet sniff for the information via one of there DPI boxes, The data being transmitted back and forth will have a unique packet structure and that can be sniffed i am sure..

lol complete noobs lol,only thing different this time is an internet connection

edit Rob - innapropriate information removed

prices of boxes have doubled,the people responsible for these latest boxes are like mini vm companies

[Ben B]

Yeah well, it will be really simple for VM to get them shut down because people will be stupid enough to connect to them using their VM internet connection