Muslim Anti Terror Camp - Page 3

08-08-2010, 18:45

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Do they regard him as a "religious nut" or just those outside of the religion?

possibly the wrong term of phrase .."just another preacher" would perhaps be more appropriate

PeteLockwood · 08-08-2010, 18:53

to be honest this should not even have to happen... come to think of it islam has no place in england...

Angua · 08-08-2010, 18:54

Good grief. We have positive action in the name of peace and it is still not good enough for some.

Even if all this manages is fewer extremists it will be well worth it.

TheDaddy · 08-08-2010, 18:57

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Originally Posted by martyh

Without a single leader as with catholics and the pope. Thats how the muslim faith works and needs to be understood by people who denounce him and others as "religious nuts on a soap box in the park"

To be fair most religions don't have a single leader, Christianity has loads of different ones and even the Dalai Lama doesn't speak for all Buddhists, very far from it. Who speaks for the Hindus or the Jews? The problems with fundamentalism seem to have attached themselves mainly to Islam for a variety of reasons and things like this camp can only help solve those issues in this country.

nomadking · 08-08-2010, 19:00

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Originally Posted by Matt D

Eh?

Guardian.co.uk - Muslim group holds 'anti-terrorism' summer camp

I first searched their website to check and did you check the date and time of the article?

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Sunday 8 August 2010 18.23 BST

That's only about 1 1/2 hours ago.

08-08-2010, 19:03

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Originally Posted by PeteL

to be honest this should not even have to happen... come to think of it islam has no place in england...

It's racists like you that need anti racist camps ,if you can't keep your racist ranting to yourself then please leave the forum and go elsewhere

PeteLockwood · 08-08-2010, 19:06

first of all, how is it racist in suggesting a religion has no place in this country, does christianity have a widespread place in pakistan ? india ? saudi arabia ?

second of all why should they be encouraged NOT to commit attrocities and why are they NOT here to embrace OUR society and way of life ?

08-08-2010, 19:08

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

To be fair most religions don't have a single leader, Christianity has loads of different ones and even the Dalai Lama doesn't speak for all Buddhists, very far from it. Who speaks for the Hindus or the Jews? The problems with fundamentalism seem to have attached themselves mainly to Islam for a variety of reasons and things like this camp can only help solve those issues in this country.

Quite correct ,even so it does show that religions without a single leader (come to think of it i can't actually think of a major religion with a single leader apart from catholics)rely on teachings from influencial people like, for example the Dali Lama

PeteLockwood · 08-08-2010, 19:11

these influential leaders should not be required the fact is if somebody interprets a "peaceful religion"'s writings as blow up a bus then wtf is wrong ?

TheDaddy · 08-08-2010, 19:13

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Originally Posted by martyh

Quite correct ,even so it does show that religions without a single leader (come to think of it i can't actually think of a major religion with a single leader apart from catholics)rely on teachings from influencial people like, for example the Dali Lama

Eastern Orthodox has one, don't ask me his name though...

Julian · 08-08-2010, 19:16

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Originally Posted by PeteL

first of all, how is it racist in suggesting a religion has no place in this country, does christianity have a widespread place in pakistan ? india ? saudi arabia ?

second of all why should they be encouraged NOT to commit attrocities and why are they NOT here to embrace OUR society and way of life ?

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Christianity is the third largest religion in India.

Linky

**Maggy** · 08-08-2010, 19:18

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Originally Posted by nomadking

The issue isn't the proclaimed intentions, but that facts that it is required at all and that it will have no real impact.

Are Muslims the last of any group to have an anti-terror camp or the only one needing it?

What a negative Nellie you are..Why not give it chance before condemning it.

It seems to me you don't want them to succeed.I wonder why.

I'm not actually thinking that they will single handedly turn the tide anymore than the Mothers of the Disappeared ever thought they would get any answers to their actions, but I applaud their attempts however pathetic you consider them and I consider myself fairly pragmatic about such issues.

Stuart · 08-08-2010, 19:19

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Originally Posted by nomadking

a) Where does it say that attendees are selected and forced to attend. It's not some form of rehab.

You were the one who bought up forcing people to attend. I didn't, and neither did the article on the BBC.

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b) Anything that would be said, has(or should have) been said already.

I say again, how do you know this?

TBH, the way I see it is simple. It may or may not work. I think (and hope) it will, but even if it doesn't, then at least it has been tried. At worst, we lose nothing. At best, we end up a little safer. Either way, at least someone is trying something rather than just saying it won't work so we won't bother.

**Maggy** · 08-08-2010, 19:23

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Originally Posted by PeteL

to be honest this should not even have to happen... come to think of it islam has no place in england...

It would be nice if you hadn't posted this but it would be so much less ignorant if you had bothered to put a capital E in front of the name England and an I for Islam..

08-08-2010, 19:27

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Originally Posted by PeteL

these influential leaders should not be required the fact is if somebody interprets a "peaceful religion"'s writings as blow up a bus then wtf is wrong ?

and that is exactly what he is trying to correct ,the incorrect teachings that lead to 9/11 ect , we all know that in a ideal world it should not be required ,but it isn't an ideal world ,mainly due to people with your attitude