Ban the burkha ?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by punky

Isn't the EU going to strike this law down if it ever becomes ratified? Or is it only us that complies with them?

if the French dont get there own way they riot-we just sulk

[punky]

I always thought it was the joke that the Spanish fishermen and all the French didn't obey EU law...

Originally Posted by Gary L

If somebody is forcing her to wear it then is there a chance that he might beat her if she refuses by stating the law that she can disobey her husband?

i had considered that ,and yes there is a chance the husband will beat her,the same chance that some men beat their wives when they get drunk ,but we already have laws against that and as with any other woman it is upto them to report it

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

i had considered that ,and yes there is a chance the husband will beat her,the same chance that some men beat their wives when they get drunk ,but we already have laws against that and as with any other woman it is upto them to report it

It might sound simple enough, but would a muslim woman defy her husband just because the law is on her side when needs be? it wouldn't just be her husband she's going against. it would be all the males in the family and close to the family.

I think she'll just carry on wearing it. she wouldn't go against them.
forget it. it's a stupid idea

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Calls grow for burka ban in Britain as French outlaw Islamic 'walking coffins'
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Support for a ban in Britain has come from Tory backbencher Philip Hollobone and the UK Independence Party.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...#ixzz0tgWTqwwy

In that same piece a French Muslim buisnessman has pledged to sell property up to one million euros to pay the fine for burhka wearing women, what a surprise that a Muslim man is prepared to pay out nearly a million pounds so as to keep women in this monstoscity.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Are you saying that because some women like their partners to take nude photos of them they are giving tacit approval to those men who force their partners to have nude photos taken of them? No of course you aren't because it would be a ridiculous notion, just as your notion that muslim women who chose to cover their faces in public are giving tacit approval to men who force their partners to do likewise.

Come on Xaccers that comparison is pretty weak, having lived in Saudi you are more aware than most that many men enforce the wearing of this degrading garment on their wives, surely you don't believe that every woman in the UK who is wearing one of these things does it of their own free will?
Of course not, there are weak insecure men who will not let their women out of the house unless they are encased from head to toe, as I said earlier women who choose to wear a burhka are actively contributing in keeping these women shackled and cut off from the rest of society.
As far as I'm concerned misplaced feelings of liberty regarding the right to wear a burhka are precisely that, entirely misplaced. In the rush to defend the few who choose to wear it you are making it even harder for the oppressed to get shot of it.
I regard myself as a pretty liberal person, and if this was just a case of religious freedom then fair enough, but you know as well as I this cloak is a cultural garment not religious, so what about the woman who have no choice, do they just grin and bear it because a few women want to make a political statement.

[Xaccers]

From memory of the shops, streets around Kilo5 and corniche, the majority of women showed their faces.

Many women choose to cover their face in public because they believe that is what their religion requires of them. Whether it does or does not, it is their personal religion.
How is punishing someone for following their religious beliefs with a fine and what, prison if they don't pay the fine, any different to someone forcing those who do not wish to cover their faces to wear the veil?
My understanding of the French ban is that if a woman wears a veil, she's fined, and if they can prove she's been forced into it, her husband would be fined too.
So if she is being forced to wear it otherwise she'd be housebound, but chooses to protect her husband either through fear or loyalty, she's punished.
How is that justice?

You can say women only choose to wear it to make a political statement til you're blue in the face. The fact is most chose to wear it because they believe it complies with their religion, not to make a political statement.

[SMG]

Waste of time even contemplating a ban. The Government hasn`t got the guts.

If they did, they would ban it.

btw, what is the basis for the "walking coffin" description?

Does a burqa have handles on side, and it's carried by six people?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

btw, what is the basis for the "walking coffin" description?

Does a burqa have handles on side, and it's carried by six people?

It doesn't even have flat sides and made out of wood.

[Phut]

Yes ban the bhurkas they do hide the identity and give criminals an opportunity to hide. The sooner they are banned the better Phut

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Phut

Yes ban the bhurkas they do hide the identity and give criminals an opportunity to hide.

Are you for banning crash helmets being worn more than 10cm from a motorbike?
Or people covering their faces with a scarf on a cold winter's day?
Ban sunglasses and beards too would you?

All those things are more common and more likely to be used by criminals, so shouldn't they be banned too?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

It always makes me luagh when when people complain about if they ban Burkas, they should ban helmets etc,

Anything that covers the face should be banned, unless for medical reasons, they have to wear something, you have to feel safe walking down the road.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Are you for banning crash helmets being worn more than 10cm from a motorbike?

One of the reasons as to why I always wear an open flip helmet, petrol stations, banks, offices..etc.. already impose a no closed crash helmet rule and being a courier it was a pain in the backside, most were happy though to allow you in if they could see your full face..

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

One of the reasons as to why I always wear an open flip helmet, petrol stations, banks, offices..etc.. already impose a no closed crash helmet rule and being a courier it was a pain in the backside, most were happy though to allow you in if they could see your full face..

That's on private property though. It's already been made clear that shops and other businesses can legally refuse entry to anyone not willing to show their face.
Should a biker be fined because they walked from their front door down the street to their bike with their helmet on?

---------- Post added at 16:47 ---------- Previous post was at 16:47 ----------

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

It always makes me luagh when when people complain about if they ban Burkas, they should ban helmets etc,

Anything that covers the face should be banned, unless for medical reasons, they have to wear something, you have to feel safe walking down the road.

Why are you so intimidated by it Arthur?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Are you for banning crash helmets being worn more than 10cm from a motorbike?
Or people covering their faces with a scarf on a cold winter's day?
Ban sunglasses and beards too would you?

All those things are more common and more likely to be used by criminals, so shouldn't they be banned too?

Oh no, he's doing the little old ladies with scarfs on again