FIFA World Cup 2010 South Africa

[Charlie_Bubble]

Originally Posted by Russ

I can sort of see what Rooney was on about, it's what you lot always do especially in the media, in the run-up to the finals everywhere you look it's "we can do it this time" etc then as soon as you have a bad game you turn on your team. I'm just waiting for the "fabio must go" headlines. But then again if Rooney doesn't want the fans booing then maybe he shouldn't play like a Sunday league striker. Actually I thought SWP had a pretty decent game, he almost stood out.

That wasn't just a bad game, that was the worst England performance I've seen in many, many years and your precious Utd striker was probably the worst player on the pitch last night. I'd rather watch North Korea again than that crap last night.

[DocDutch]

at least the dutch done what the english couldn't do which is beating an opponent who aren't too bad themselve and yes i know england beat them in a friendly but only due to two own goals

[danielf]

Again, not a very convincing win against a dogged defence. Then again, two games played, 6 points, scored 3, conceded none. Can't complain...

I think van Marwijk should play Eliah from the off though, unless Robben is available that is.

[Jimmy-J]

I'm not a fan of football, I really couldn't care less if they win or lose... BUT, last night I found myself jumping from my chair effin' and jeffin' at that ultra weak performance. It makes me wonder what the real die-hard fans must be going through!

Anyway, it's only a game.

[Kymmy]

Anelka sent home for insulting the French coach... I wonder if Rooney will follow him in insulting Capello

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...10/8749698.stm

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by gazfan

Damn, I didn't want to have to say this, but I do feel the prevalence of 'non English' players in the Premier League tends to stifle the potential of the players actually eligible to represent their country.

Couple that with the recent tendency to recruit foreign managers for the England team & I wonder why we have so many England flags flying?

I'd rather we bowed out of the World Cup with dignity, under an English manager, with a team based on the best our local clubs could recruit through their youth schemes, than with a second eleven under an Italian with a limited resource?

I disagree with this, the best English players in the main play for the best clubs and don't look out of place doing so, where we go wrong is in always having a manager that tries to accomodate people, so we end up with square pegs in round holes and in having a £800 million white elephant of a stadium when that money could have been plouged into youth football, decent coaches, coaching kids how to express themselves on the park rather than athletes gaining points for some crappy kids league. Also each club is given money for Youth development, how much of this cash actually goes on youth development, whenever cash is tight the youth is the first thing to suffer as managers are sacked or hired on what they are achieving now not in five years.

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Originally Posted by Russ

I can sort of see what Rooney was on about, it's what you lot always do especially in the media, in the run-up to the finals everywhere you look it's "we can do it this time" etc then as soon as you have a bad game you turn on your team. I'm just waiting for the "fabio must go" headlines. But then again if Rooney doesn't want the fans booing then maybe he shouldn't play like a Sunday league striker. Actually I thought SWP had a pretty decent game, he almost stood out.

Except there hasn't been any of the 'usual hype' this time around hence the lack of any real interest in Any one but England, it's all been pretty subdued.

[punky]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Anelka sent home for insulting the French coach... I wonder if Rooney will follow him in insulting Capello

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...10/8749698.stm

Rooney insulted Capello?

Meanwhile...

England striker Wayne Rooney:
"Last night, on reflection I said things in the heat of the moment that came out of frustration of both our performance and the result. For my part I apologise for any offence caused by my actions at the end of the game."

Yeah, sounds like Wayne Rooney.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I disagree with this, the best English players in the main play for the best clubs and don't look out of place doing so, where we go wrong is in always having a manager that tries to accomodate people, so we end up with square pegs in round holes and in having a £800 million white elephant of a stadium when that money could have been plouged into youth football, decent coaches, coaching kids how to express themselves on the park rather than athletes gaining points for some crappy kids league. Also each club is given money for Youth development, how much of this cash actually goes on youth development, whenever cash is tight the youth is the first thing to suffer as managers are sacked or hired on what they are achieving now not in five years.

The best English players may play for the best clubs, but there aren't enough of them, many of the best clubs are 'top heavy' with non English players.

I couldn't agree more about the youth development

[DocDutch]

Originally Posted by danielf

Again, not a very convincing win against a dogged defence. Then again, two games played, 6 points, scored 3, conceded none. Can't complain...

I think van Marwijk should play Eliah from the off though, unless Robben is available that is.

And would you leave van der vaart out okay he wasn't too great but give him a decent free kick and he'll score. Elia is quick but is he really a goal scorer

[danielf]

Originally Posted by DocDutch

And would you leave van der vaart out okay he wasn't too great but give him a decent free kick and he'll score. Elia is quick but is he really a goal scorer

I like Van der Vaart, but he's not a winger and he keeps coming inside rather than try to pass the defender. I think VdV is a better choice when there's more space. Against teams that defend like Japan and Denmark you need the pace and width of a player like Robben or Eliah.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by gazfan

The best English players may play for the best clubs, but there aren't enough of them, many of the best clubs are 'top heavy' with non English players.

What would be the point of getting rid of foreign players and replacing them with sub standard English ones, it wouldn't really give the England manager much of a selection headache, we'd still end up taking the same old players and our league co fed whatever it's called ranking thingy would drop to.

[DocDutch]

and another point about too many foreign players is that the english are too expensive for even a league 1 player you say 1.5 mil so why do you think managers go abroad for the new players instead home grown

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

What would be the point of getting rid of foreign players and replacing them with sub standard English ones, it wouldn't really give the England manager much of a selection headache, we'd still end up taking the same old players and our league co fed whatever it's called ranking thingy would drop to.

It seemed to work in 1966?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by gazfan

It seemed to work in 1966?

What when we left our best player (Greaves) out for the benefit of the team and it had plenty of time to continue working until the advent of the Premier League and didn't.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

What when we left our best player (Greaves) out for the benefit of the team and it had plenty of time to continue working until the advent of the Premier League and didn't.

No it didn't continue working - but does that mean the concept is wrong?

In the 2006 World Cup there were 80 players who were with Premier League clubs - 21 were in the England squad.

We can only discuss 'what if' in the context of the thread & my opinion can't be 'proven', but I would still rather the Premier League restricted the number of foreign players & allowed more English ones the chance to develop.

- otherwise we just have to 'agree to disagree'