Bring Back Fox Hunting

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Better that than a visit from some of the so called experts that have been quoted so far.

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Yes very nice, in fact it possibly did old foxy a favour, the average life span for an urban fox is 18 months to 2 years due to disease and mange.

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Yes but none of them were seen by the mother doing it.

No it's not nice at all.. you started this thread wanting to start hunting foxes again, so you are going to say that.

Many foxes only live to 2 years due to RTA's not because they are diseased which they are not, sure some become ill as with all wildlife does from time to time. It's a myth they are all full of mange.

The fox didn't deserve to be put down It's attitudes like this, that show whats wrong with some parts of humanity, no respect for other creatures!

The mother DID NOT see the alledged fox mauling the children, she says she entered the room to see the "fox" in the room and the babies crying in the cots. end of.

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Originally Posted by Mick

I can understand the controlling of numbers, and the protecting of ones livestock but let's make no mistake - it was done purely for sport, perhaps some are failing to see the bigger picture, all this fox hunting of the past (and it still goes on) has driven these wild animals from rural areas and forced them to live in urban areas - if people weren't so messy with their litter, perhaps it wouldn't have drawn them in either.

I bet you got some snot nose Fox hunters right now blaming the ban on fox hunting for these attacks on these young girls.

indeed Mick.. they think they have a right to hunt and kill animals for sport, it has nothing to do with control of numbers.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

perhaps some are failing to see the bigger picture, all this fox hunting of the past (and it still goes on) has driven these wild animals from rural areas and forced them to live in urban areas - if people weren't so messy with their litter, perhaps it wouldn't have drawn them in either.

What a load of tosh, foxes weren't driven into towns because of hunting. The reason is because after WWII cities grew bigger and took over the foxes natural habitat and easy access to food made the numbers swell, it also made disease rife, it's that simple.

I bet you got some snot nose Fox hunters right now blaming the ban on fox hunting for these attacks on these young girls.

When in doubt throw a bit about class in and even if they were no one would take them seriously.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

What a load of tosh, foxes weren't driven into towns because of hunting.

And you have conclusive evidence to this effect that proves your theory huh?

[TheDaddy]

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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

No it's not nice at all.. you started this thread wanting to start hunting foxes again, so you are going to say that.

Err no I didn't, I said I didn't want the issue to waste anymore parliament time and was in favour of the ban staying due to the massive increase in fox deaths since the ban was introduced and that it was about time we did something about the urban fox to.

Personally I don't think we should have wasted as much time as we did debating it in parliment, the country had and has much more pressing issues to deal with, although it did rather annoy me to hear that arch buffon Tony Banks shouting ''that showed the toffs'' when it finally was banned, he was obviously more interested in some sort of class discrimination than any issues of animal rights/cruelty and besides if the figures are true about the huge increase in fox deaths since the ban then I am all for it staying and it's a shame we cant do the same in the cities, I am sick of seeing the mess they create and the occasional cat being chased.

Many foxes only live to 2 years due to RTA's not because they are diseased which they are not, sure some become ill as with all wildlife does from time to time. It's a myth they are all full of mange.

But life for an urban fox is short, with an average lifespan of 18 months, because disease, usually mange, among numbers spreads more quickly in the towns and cities.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/486...ban-foxes.html

The fox didn't deserve to be put down It's attitudes like this, that show whats wrong with some parts of humanity, no respect for other creatures!

I think they need to be culled in urban areas.

The mother DID NOT see the alledged fox mauling the children, she says she entered the room to see the "fox" in the room and the babies crying in the cots. end of.

That's waek, so what did it then, perhaps the babies did it to each other?

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Originally Posted by Mick

And you have conclusive evidence to this effect that proves your theory huh?

As a matter of fact I do, I'll post it when I get back, I am sure you'll agree it's a lot more plausable than some sort of Fox Moses leading his people to the promised land of urban utopia.

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

No it's not nice at all.. you started this thread wanting to start hunting foxes again, so you are going to say that.

Many foxes only live to 2 years due to RTA's not because they are diseased which they are not, sure some become ill as with all wildlife does from time to time. It's a myth they are all full of mange.

The fox didn't deserve to be put down It's attitudes like this, that show whats wrong with some parts of humanity, no respect for other creatures!

The mother DID NOT see the alledged fox mauling the children, she says she entered the room to see the "fox" in the room and the babies crying in the cots. end of.

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indeed Mick.. they think they have a right to hunt and kill animals for sport, it has nothing to do with control of numbers.

now your being silly
sarcoptic mange is one of the biggest killers of untreated foxes ,if the NFWS didn't keep treating the foxes then nature would take it's course put them down don't treat them it's no wonder the fox population is going through the roof ,it's because we interfere too much ,we feed them and then we treat their illnesses as if they were pets ,they are wild animals

"the mother did not see the alledged fox mauling the children" ridiculous thing to say

[Digital Fanatic]

Interesting article here...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-attack-london

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

And you have conclusive evidence to this effect that proves your theory huh?

Interaction with Humans: Foxes began living in our cities after World War I; a response (many people consider) to a change in people’s lifestyles. Stephen Harris and Phil Baker at Bristol University consider that the most likely "cause" of urban foxes was the development of once rural land after the First World War; land was built upon and, rather than moving, the foxes adapted to their new surroundings.

Although foxes probably began to be noticed in our towns and cities after World War I, it wasn't until after World War II that they became commonplace

http://www.wildlifeonline.me.uk/red_...ml#interaction

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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

Interesting article here...

Interesting in that he completely ignores all the reports of foxes becoming bolder and entering peoples house far more regularly

Domestic animals are far more likely to attack humans as they do not attempt to avoid us as foxes do.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Bristol University consider that the most likely "cause"

But saying *Most likely* is not absolutely and it's not definitive proof that it is the *sole* reason foxes have become more urban does it?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

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But saying *Most likely* is not absolutely and it's not definitive proof that it is the *sole* reason foxes have become more urban does it?

I think we can be sure most likely means definitive in this case or else why weren't they living amongst us before.

Sorry, but I don't just buy it that there is one sole reason why foxes have become more urban, there has to be more than one reason, there was still plenty of rural land for Foxes to live and breed on, they didn't need to stay in the city streets.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

Sorry, but I don't just buy it that there is one sole reason why foxes have become more urban, there has to be more than one reason, there was still plenty of rural land for Foxes to live and breed on, they didn't need to stay in the city streets.

The rural land you speak of might well be the patch of another fox. I wonder how many of these foxes are entirely urban as well, I live in the second largest London Borough and am quite certain the foxes round here have no need to be entirely urbanised.

Intersting article on fox attacks

There are few records of foxes attacking humans. In 2002, Sue Eastwood said her 14-week-old boy, Louis, was injured after a fox slunk into her sitting room in Dartford, south-east London. Hackney council claims it has never received a reported incident. But a number of the London borough's residents have been attacked by foxes, including three people in the same block of flats. Many people don't report fox attacks because they don't think they will be believed.

Claire Blakeway was attacked by a fox at her home in Stoke Newington, north London, in July 2003. She was sleeping in her bedroom when she awoke and screamed with pain. "It was like someone dropped a brick on my foot," she says. Blood was streaming from her foot. She had left the door to the fire escape open and, at dawn, a fox had padded into her room, three floors up. "It must've come into the bedroom, seen my foot and had a gnaw on it," she says. "It sunk its incisors into either side of my foot." Her screams scared it off before she could see it but it left distinctive paw prints – not the prints of a cat – running across her cream carpet and on to her sheets. Blakeway got antibiotics for the bite but never formally reported it to anyone, although she heard from the flat warden that two other residents had also reported foxes attacking them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...on-urban-foxes

[Digital Fanatic]

The story gets even more ridiculous by ther day:

From The Express:

And Mrs Koupparis revealed how the animal even tried to make off with one of her babies. She said: “Lola’s face is still bruised and you can see the marks where the fox pulled her towards the bars of the cot but she is doing really well. She’s eating well and doing everything she should be doing.�

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...-s-so-horrific

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

The story gets even more ridiculous by ther day:

From The Express:



http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...-s-so-horrific

why is that ridiculous?

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by martyh

why is that ridiculous?

now the fox tried to make off with the babies? Oh please

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

now the fox tried to make off with the babies? Oh please

i repeat why is that ridiculous?