All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Not really as they've probably saved 10 times the amount on not paying a subscription..

They are still selling the boxes and telling their customers that the new box cannot be blocked by NAGRA3 so those people are the ones to laugh at when the pretty warning screens start to appear and they have no comeback.

The long term users of these boxes will be asked to call in if they want their services back which would a nice call to take if they have the bottle to actually call.

[Kymmy]

So easy to laugh at people who some perhaps don't even realise that they are commiting a crime.. Throughout all this thread people have been jumping on the end users where in fact the people who deserve the most contempt are the people selling these boxes (which included a lot of VM employees )

Can the CS people answer me a question.. Have you ever had anyone ring up and complain their box isn't working where the box turns out to be chipped??

[talktalkfan]

Originally Posted by Masque

They are still selling the boxes and telling their customers that the new box cannot be blocked by NAGRA3 so those people are the ones to laugh at when the pretty warning screens start to appear and they have no comeback.

The long term users of these boxes will be asked to call in if they want their services back which would a nice call to take if they have the bottle to actually call.

I would like to ask a question.

Virginmedia AKA NTL, They have never persuaded a customer into signing something or entering a contract under false pretense? I can list numerous cases if you wish me to go on.........

Back on Topic..

CS has been around for years, I used **** about 3-4 years ago, obviously there is a bigger contender now (which I wont go into as this site is anti piracy) and Sky has used various counter meassures with their new "White Card" and still the main Cam Emulator has worked around this.

Reality is CS will be coming to Cable, this will start like the original Cable "Hacks" did where the wise and clever knew how to work it and done it themselve`s. The trouble begins where there is a profit to be made and 1-2 years time Chinese factories will be knocking out CS Cable Box`s left, right and centre.


I would like to also congratulate Kymmy for his balanced views and judgement on this thread


Oh whilst i`m Ravin can we stop calling the Box`s chipped, they are not chipped, they are modified firmware/cards..


Oh and Hello to all, i`ve been here reading for a few years but now felt compelled to comment

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

Can the CS people answer me a question.. Have you ever had anyone ring up and complain their box isn't working where the box turns out to be chipped??

Can you clarify this question?

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by talktalkfan

I would like to also congratulate Kymmy for his balanced views and judgement on this thread

HIS??????

Also I've removed the names of the software as we don't normally like to provide to much details on how to get round subscription

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

So easy to laugh at people who some perhaps don't even realise that they are commiting a crime.. Throughout all this thread people have been jumping on the end users where in fact the people who deserve the most contempt are the people selling these boxes (which included a lot of VM employees )

Can the CS people answer me a question.. Have you ever had anyone ring up and complain their box isn't working where the box turns out to be chipped??

I do feel contempt for the sellers but everyone who buys a chipped box does so in full knowledge that they have bought the box in order to steal services from Virginmedia, so when that box becomes a doorstop it will be amusing.

I believe that they would be unlikely to call TV faults if the box went off, but in the areas that are now receiving the new cards they start to get nagging messages advising them that their service will soon stop and a few weeks after rollout a permanent message blocking the screen appears and each of these screens give them a freephone number to call if they want to become a paying customer.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by talktalkfan

Can you clarify this question?

Sorry missed your edit, My question is based on the fact that a lot of people buy a "modified firmware" box thinking that it is legal.. Not everyone is technical not do they know the law hence my viewpoint about getting rid of the suppliers but was also wondering how many "ignorant" people are around

[talktalkfan]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

HIS??????

Also I've removed the names of the software as we don't normally like to provide to much details on how to get round subscription

Oh your a Laaaadddyyyy

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by talktalkfan

Reality is CS will be coming to Cable, this will start like the original Cable "Hacks" did where the wise and clever knew how to work it and done it themselve`s. The trouble begins where there is a profit to be made and 1-2 years time Chinese factories will be knocking out CS Cable Box`s left, right and centre.

It is called NAGRA3 and has been around for 3 years uncracked so much for the clever chinese.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Masque

I do feel contempt for the sellers but everyone who buys a chipped box does so in full knowledge that they have bought the box in order to steal services from Virginmedia.

Actually NO, (see above answer) How many people do we get on here buying boxes from ebay (non "chipped") thinking it'll work on the network, we even have members who have been round for a bit asking about 2nd modems and if one from ebay will work...

Not everyone has the knowledge that a lot of people within this thread has, nor does everyone (again as discussed before ) realise that it is illegal..

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Originally Posted by talktalkfan

Oh your a Laaaadddyyyy

I've been called worse... It normally starts with B and has nothing to do with the bike I ride!!!!

[talktalkfan]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Sorry missed your edit, My question is based on the fact that a lot of people buy a "modified firmware" box thinking that it is legal.. Not everyone is technical not do they know the law hence my viewpoint about getting rid of the suppliers but was also wondering how many "ignorant" people are around

Personally I would say people who buy "Modified Equipment" know what they are getting into.

The reality is if someone can save £30 - £70 a month in outgoings it takes little persusion

Just also to clarify, I don`t dabble in any dodgy cable equipment, I have a paid Sat sub with a big motoriesed dish

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

I've been called worse... It normally starts with B and has nothing to do with the bike I ride!!!!

Don`t get me started on bikes, I just failed my Mod 1 on that frigin manouvere speed thingy

I only have a Kawasaki Er 500, i`m scared of using soemthing bigger

Anyway, I won`t go off topic anymore

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Originally Posted by Masque

It is called NAGRA3 and has been around for 3 years uncracked so much for the clever chinese.

Yes Nagra 3 which I receive from my big sat dish via CS, so yes not fully open but is being CS as we type..

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Masque

It is called NAGRA3 and has been around for 3 years uncracked so much for the clever chinese.

He's not talking about Cracking N3 but a perhaps prolific rise in CS capable recievers

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Actually NO, (see above answer) How many people do we get on here buying boxes from ebay (non "chipped") thinking it'll work on the network, we even have members who have been round for a bit asking about 2nd modems and if one from ebay will work...

Not everyone has the knowledge that a lot of people within this thread has, nor does everyone (again as discussed before ) realise that it is illegal..

Yes we have all had someone with a modem calling in as they have either bought it or got it from a friend and they want to use it as a second extension, we just advise them that it cannot be added to their account as it would not actually work and that it is also classed as stolen goods.

We then advise them to get a router for the extra connection required.

No idea what happens if someone calls in on the TV side with a box from Ebay, I expect that they will be told a similar tale and would be advised to speak to Sales if they want a box in another room.

I know that our engineers can and do confiscate illegal boxes when they get called out for a fault of any type,

[talktalkfan]

Originally Posted by Masque

I know that our engineers can and do confiscate illegal boxes when they get called out for a fault of any type,

And they`ve also been known to fit em

But back on track, Virginmedia aka NTL should of nailed this 4 years ago, they had stuck with Nagra 1 for so long...

TopupTv had the right idea, they adopted Nagra 3 from the off....

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by talktalkfan

Don`t get me started on bikes, I just failed my Mod 1 on that frigin manouvere speed thingy

I only have a Kawasaki Er 500, i`m scared of using soemthing bigger

My little black scooter is a KWAK as well (GPz900R), In pieces atm for a rebuild whilst I redesign the fairing..

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

He's not talking about Cracking N3 but a perhaps prolific rise in CS capable recievers

Yes that will be an interesting one for them to work on cable, it is supposed to be fairly easy on SKY.

With our system though we see both the card and the box and they must match in order to work as we have to provision them with each other.