[Update] The Liberal-Conservative Coalition

[Arthurgray50@blu]

With the news coming in that there will be drastic cuts, NO JOB is safe now, I said this all along, this country is making drastic cutbacks, that they will tear this country to pieces, and the general public will suffer.

I bet all the parties will take there normal two months holiday, gallavanting around the world, at our expense.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

With the news coming in that there will be drastic cuts, NO JOB is safe now, I said this all along, this country is making drastic cutbacks, that they will tear this country to pieces, and the general public will suffer.

OK Arthur I'll bite. Imagine you are in charge of a small country in the North Atlantic.

It takes £100 billion a year in taxes and other income.
It spends £120 billion a year on benefits, defence, education, policing etc. etc.

How would YOU deal with the £20 billion shortfall?

[danielf]

Can't we sell the Royal Family?

[Derek]

Originally Posted by danielf

Can't we sell the Royal Family?

Fergie tried that, even at 500k for Prince Andrew you wouldn't get anywhere near the amount needed.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

With the news coming in that there will be drastic cuts, NO JOB is safe now, I said this all along, this country is making drastic cutbacks, that they will tear this country to pieces, and the general public will suffer.

Although I should point out that *ANY* government would have to take measures such as the ones being taken. If they didn't, ultimately the country could go bankrupt, which is a lot worse.

Any government or party that tells you otherwise is lying.

It's also worth remembering that this was probably made worse by the previous administration.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

With the news coming in that there will be drastic cuts, NO JOB is safe now, I said this all along, this country is making drastic cutbacks, that they will tear this country to pieces, and the general public will suffer.

I bet all the parties will take there normal two months holiday, gallavanting around the world, at our expense.

Arthur, you are clearly showing that you don't have a clue when it comes to real issues.

The Deficit (Achieved thanks to the last Labour Government) is the REAL issue and you have not stated how we bring the massive Deficit down.

Do you really want the 'credit' status of Britain to suffer and reach the same as what happened in Greece? The new Government is acting now and rightly so, so stop whining about all the cuts because sorry, they are needed.

And about the 2 months holiday comment - Cameron and co will be working through September.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

By making drastic cuts, there will be more people unemployed, there will be cuts in vital services, and l mean front line services, they won't say where it will hit, this is what the news was about night, what they have to do, is start at the top, MPs salary has to be cut, drastically, they have to cut all these office staff at the parliament buildings, too many secretaries etc, when Cameron and Clegg go on there so called tours, will they travel 2nd or third class, No, they will travel first class, can you imagine them going Ryan or Easyjet, l doubt that.

Its not a case of cutting down on the workforce, its a question of making cutbacks at the top, I have worked at the Houses of Parliament, and they have top notch grub and booze, and the amount of waste is horrendous, IT has to start at the top first, People say l might l am moaning, but if it has to start, then it has to start from the 'horses mouth'

[Derek]

So stop making loads of people unemployed by making loads of people unemployed

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

By making drastic cuts, there will be more people unemployed, there will be cuts in vital services, and l mean front line services, they won't say where it will hit, this is what the news was about night, what they have to do, is start at the top, MPs salary has to be cut, drastically, they have to cut all these office staff at the parliament buildings, too many secretaries etc, when Cameron and Clegg go on there so called tours, will they travel 2nd or third class, No, they will travel first class, can you imagine them going Ryan or Easyjet, l doubt that.

Its not a case of cutting down on the workforce, its a question of making cutbacks at the top, I have worked at the Houses of Parliament, and they have top notch grub and booze, and the amount of waste is horrendous, IT has to start at the top first, People say l might l am moaning, but if it has to start, then it has to start from the 'horses mouth'

Arthur, back up your rant with facts, or would that be too difficult.

Show us where these front-line services are being cut, or are you, as usual, talking complete bolleaux.

There will be cuts somewhere, because we can't afford to keep spending what we don't have - do you spend more than you earn in your home?

[Recluse Sister]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

secretaries etc, when Cameron and Clegg go on there so called tours, will they travel 2nd or third class, No, they will travel first class, can you imagine them going Ryan or Easyjet, l doubt that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rain-work.html

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

what they have to do, is start at the top, MPs salary has to be cut, drastically, they have to cut all these office staff at the parliament buildings

The current cost of parliament is about £500 million a year.

The deficit last year was £156 billion (thats billion as in 156 thousand million)

So if you abolished the UK parliament completely you cover the deficit for about a day and half.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Derek S

So stop making loads of people unemployed by making loads of people unemployed

You forget that Arthur doesn't count anyone not in the 'working classes' as being a part of the work force.

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

<Snip foaming at the mouth>'

The savings will need to be of the order of, I'll say this for you in words and numbers, Fifty Billion Pounds, £50,000,000,000.

The cost of Parliament is Five Hundred Million Pounds, £500,000,000.

So we totally abolish Parliament there's 1% of the reductions sorted, let's go after the other 99%. Oh wait there's no-one to do that we just abolished them.

MP's salaries are fine, I make more than an MP on base. There is absolutely no need for drastic cuts to their salaries.

Some services will be cut. This is fine. It's not the job of the government to look after most of us, we're grown ups or have grown ups to look after us and just need basic municipal services. If people stopped feeling entitled to having the government look after them in every way there would be more money for those who do actually need society to look after them and lower taxes for those who look after themselves.

Right now the government is spending over 50% of our entire national income, in some cities the government employs around half of the work force. This is no good for longer term prosperity and even worse for the pay packets of those in the private sector who pay for it.

Cuts are coming, there are three choices.

1) Accept them as being necessary.
2) Give valid reasons why they aren't necessary.
3) Complain that even though they are necessary they shouldn't happen - this one loosely translates to having a reliance on some aspect of those services, be it working in delivering the services or relying on them in some way.

No it won't be pleasant, no it's not something one would wish for, yes it will cause some unemployment, but yes it is absolutely required as without it this country will be in the kind of excrement that makes the 1970s look like easy street.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

By making drastic cuts, there will be more people unemployed, there will be cuts in vital services, and l mean front line services, they won't say where it will hit, this is what the news was about night, what they have to do, is start at the top, MPs salary has to be cut, drastically, they have to cut all these office staff at the parliament buildings, too many secretaries etc, when Cameron and Clegg go on there so called tours, will they travel 2nd or third class, No, they will travel first class, can you imagine them going Ryan or Easyjet, l doubt that.

Its not a case of cutting down on the workforce, its a question of making cutbacks at the top, I have worked at the Houses of Parliament, and they have top notch grub and booze, and the amount of waste is horrendous, IT has to start at the top first, People say l might l am moaning, but if it has to start, then it has to start from the 'horses mouth'

Arthur i am sorry but you really do need to get a grip on reality and not this whimsical world you live in.

Oh and btw will you please produce evidence for your ranting, Why should we have to go and search for the info which you should have provided as part of your post, Or is this some magical way of cutting cost on your part that we should be aware of.

[Chrysalis]

Unfortenatly its the grim truth of one of 2 scenarios.

1 - tory leadership where they trim down the public sector which will have massive economic impact in both lost jobs directly and indirectly when the private sector loses lucrative public sector contracts.
2 - labour leadership where we have bloated public sector that isnt sustainable but does create jobs and boosts the economy.

Given the size of the defecit I feel they have made a massive mistake ringfencing both international aid and the nhs, the nhs is the largest budget (which means the easiest to reduce) yet its protected.

One stark fact which the tories will never work out is the country cannot run solely on private investment, the need for profits is what will stop that. Which is why privatising things like benefit claimant handing will be a loser to the taxpayer as the companies doing the work need a profit, otherwise there is no point in them doing it, whilst if it was handled in house that need isnt there. An example, if the private sector managed to get every single incapacity benefit claimant into work (impossible but lets pretend they do) the taxpayer would need to pay a possible 16 billion to the private firms as payment for the work. Approx 8 years worth of incapacity benefit payments and the claimant only needs to stay in work for 6 months for that. So its just shifting money from claimants to shareholders, what the tories are about. Cameron made me feel sick when he claimed Freud to be an expert on welfare, hes an expert on making money not welfare.

To me its obvious why we have a growing defecit.

We have ended a decade of where wage inflation was significantly below real inflation, so costs to the government have risen and tax income has not risen with it due to the income that income tax is based on not rising enough. Add to that also the fact that successive governments have been addicted to lowering income tax to buy votes, they are throwing away income.

Arthur bless you you really do get yourself all worked up lol and clearly facts then become redundent in your world. Riddle me this Arthur who was it that managed to take a stable economy that was growing and turn it into this deficit ???. Who was it that went on a stupid increase of the public sector that was completely unsustainable in order to falsely manipulate figures ???. Who is now going to have to take all the brown stuff for sorting it all out as usual yes thats right the torys although maybe this time a little of the dirt will fall onto the lib dems as well.

Labour will do what it always does create a god awful mess leave it to others to sort out and then when it's all sorted and things are back on an evenish keel will come back telling us all how nasty said party/parties that sorted the mess out are and how we deserve more. Like complete brain dead monkeys the majority will then vote them in as being pampered sounds good and the cycle starts all over again.

Yes this is going to be a painful few years for UK plc and sadly it has to happen and nobody who got voted in could have done anything but what is going to be done and never was going to be able too despite what a red tinged party was promising when it wanted us to vote them back in. Incapacity benefit can be reduced easily you simply get off all the people that were put on it under labour for no reason other then making unemployment figures look better about a million of them.

But none of that is any good unless said people have a job to go to and private sector jobs are better then public jobs whihc as we have seen have drained the country for the last decade. Are some front line services going to be cut i don't know for sure but i would guess some will have to be and again there is no choice.

As for your "lets cut mp's salarys" yeah another gem of an idea from the world of Arthur lets put them all on minimum wage and make the job completely unappealing to the people with the experience and knowledge needed to run decent government we can then truly vote in chimps and ride that train all the way down to a level we can never get back from. Like it or not Arthur sometimes you have to pay decent money to get decent people or at the very least stand a chance of getting decent people.

Your an analogue tv in a digital era Arthur and the time for class warriors like you has thankfully gone and most of us can see things clear enough to disregard old battle lines and move onto modern thinking and solutions. Come on Arthur join the majority of us in this century it's a lot better then you think .