Are Police to Ban the wearing of England Shirts in Pubs During the World cup ?

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Russ

I don't see anyone being stopped supporting England.

Going slightly OT for a moment there is one paper I think would love this to be true.

I know the Sun has a reputation for fairness and equality so it's nice to see their Scottish and English editions being so similar.

(Apologies for those whose eyes burn when reading the Sun)

Compare the Scottish Headline.

So why are cocky English planning a party?

With the English version.

Fabios letter to Sun readers

Could it be that the Sun, where this story started, is trying to stir up trouble and printing lies, smears and half-truths to sell more papers.

Originally Posted by TheDon

I notice how you've snipped out are the bit that says exactly what the OP says?

That being:



This is the very advice that people in this thread were claiming hadn't been given, and wouldn't be given. Yet here it is proved that the advice that started this rumour WAS GIVEN.

So what I said earlier in the thread is true, it's not a ban, but it's "advice" with a clear undertone which implies pubs that don't impose restrictions will be dealt with more harshly if any trouble arises than those that do.

Wasting your time Don, some cannot see what is clearly in front of them.
But if the police have now backed down, fearing a backlash, lets see what happens.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by punky

Even taxis (who aren't allowed to display flags ordinarily) are allowed to display flags

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...d-cup-stars.do

North East Lincolnshire Council relaxed their ban some time ago.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

North East Lincolnshire Council relaxed their ban some time ago.

that's where i live
there proper shirt and trouser nazi's -if they put as much effort into real problems we'd all be a lot happier .

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

Wasting your time Don, some cannot see what is clearly in front of them.

And some see things that just aren't there.

But if the police have now backed down, fearing a backlash, lets see what happens.

Backed down? They have given *advice*. That's all they can do. The police do not have the power to force pubs to impose a dress code.

Originally Posted by foreverwar 20-05-10 10:15

But that would mean they would spend most of their time denying baseless unfounded stories.

And then you would get the "no smoke without fire" people, stating that there must be some basis for the story, otherwise why would it be denied.

Lose-lose situation.

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 Today 12:32

Wasting your time Don, some cannot see what is clearly in front of them.
But if the police have now backed down, fearing a backlash, lets see what happens.

Ahem....

If it wasn't true in the first place, how can they "back down"?

Originally Posted by Stuart C

And some see things that just aren't there.



Backed down? They have given *advice*. That's all they can do. The police do not have the power to force pubs to impose a dress code.

They have dangled a carrot, look at our proposals or we will have your licence looked at.
The police have not denied the existence of the letter that was circulated.
If people want to believe the opposite be my guest.
Every time I see a reply that warrants a reply from myself I will not be far away.
If people are getting fed up reading this all the time read something else

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Ahem....

If it wasn't true in the first place, how can they "back down"?

Your opinion Foreverwar, be my guest.

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

Your opinion Foreverwar, be my guest.

It would appear to be the opinion of the Police as well....

A police force has described Facebook rumours of a pub ban on England flags during the World Cup as "nonsense".
The force also moved to quash an "urban myth" claiming pub landlords had been asked not to serve anyone wearing England football shirts....

....Insp Howard Lewis-Jones, of West Midlands Police, said there had been no directive stating that pubs should not bear flags.

He said: "It is nonsense. Police officers are football fans too and patriotism should be an important part of enjoying the tournament in a fun and friendly atmosphere as long as people are sensible."

The Metropolitan Police says the advice, issued in March, was never meant to be seen as a ban on England flags or shirts.

A spokesman said: "This letter contains a series of suggestions to make pubs safer for everyone.

"However, licensees are not obliged to follow our advice and there is no policy to stop the wearing of England shirts."

[squealy]

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

This pandering to the minority in this country is getting too much.

You slid this quietly in to your ludicrous non-story, but it was never about "pandering" to minorities was it? I don't, off the top of my head, recall any member of any minority group objecting to the wearing of England shirts in any of the articles you eventually posted. Indeed the photo in the original Sun article even has a photo with one of those very "minorities" celebrating whilst wearing an England shirt.

Surely it was about the police "banning" England shirts in pubs to maintain public order in pubs and their surroundings.

PS to whoever on this thread coined the phrase mouthbreathing windowlickers. Cheers. You made me laugh.

I am wondering how, yet again to explain to someone who seems hell bent on believing a thousand impossible things before Breakfast that this story simply isn't true but frankly I just cannot be bummed anymore.I've whispered it,I've shouted it but if I continue I'll be calling someone names again..even if I use the correct appellation...

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

Except there is no ban, so they aren't pandering to anyone..

Further to this. Even assuming Police were to advise that publicans ban people from wearing England shirts, I think it more likely that they would do it in an effort to avoid fights (which *do* tend to happen with a certain breed of England shirt wearing footy fan). It certainly wouldn't have anything to do with offending minorities, a large group of whom (if they are actively following their religion) would not go anywhere near a pub anyway.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by PeteL

where i live (oldham) the local council HAS BANNED (been in our local paper) people from wearing england tops at any of the pubs in the town centre because of violence (it aint happened yet how do they know?)

Is this really a ban or, again, just advice?

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by PeteL

where i live (oldham) the local council HAS BANNED (been in our local paper) people from wearing england tops at any of the pubs in the town centre because of violence (it aint happened yet how do they know?)

Really?

Are you absolutely sure about that?

I mean, totally sure?

Because, and I don't know how to break this to you, the Greater Manchester Police seem to think that you're wrong. Also, Oldham Council cetainly doesn't seem to have an issue with people showing support for their country:

http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/ne...orld-cup-dream

I'd post a link to an article confirming that England shirts have been banned by Oldham Council, but I can't find one anywhere - any chance you could post something taht backs up your claim? A nice clear scan of the local rag's article would probably do the trick if you can't find it online.

Thanks.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by BBKing

have we got to the stage of establishing that this is all made up as usual?

We are guessing it is. let's see what happens closer to the day

[Niles Crane]

Originally Posted by Gary L

We are guessing it is. let's see what happens closer to the day

You mean when somebody in an England shirt gets kicked out of a pub for disorder etc and people report it as happening because they were wearing an England shirt?

I can't wait. Though i imagine they'll save the best stories for the Algeria match - a predominately Islamic opposition will spruce it up a bit more.