All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down
16-05-2010, 17:32
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Re: All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down
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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic
Yeah, you need a return path for VOD... when IPTV is launched, then it will be even harder as you will need a return path to get broadcast channels, not just VOD.
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Will the older boxes do IPTV?? If not then I doubt whether VM will phase out the old boxes any time soon..
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16-05-2010, 17:34
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Re: All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down
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Originally Posted by Kymmy
Will the older boxes do IPTV?? If not then I doubt whether VM will phase out the old boxes any time soon..
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no, the older boxes wont AFAIK... I'd of thought it would be a staged rollout and phaseout the older boxes, a bit like analogue to digital upgrades were done. so may take some time! 
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16-05-2010, 17:44
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Re: All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down
Will the current V+ and V HD boxes do it or is it purely the up and coming Tivo based boxes?? If the latter only then it's gonna be a long time before VM phase them out.. Look how long it took them to get to Nagra3 and also to phase out analogue
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16-05-2010, 17:50
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Re: All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down
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Originally Posted by Kymmy
Will the current V+ and V HD boxes do it or is it purely the up and coming Tivo based boxes?? If the latter only then it's gonna be a long time before VM phase them out.. Look how long it took them to get to Nagra3 and also to phase out analogue
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V-HD boxes are ipTV ready, the current V+ (SA) (not sure about Samsung) isn't AFAIK. It will probably take a while to upgrade everyone before they can switch off the old broadcast system.
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16-05-2010, 17:50
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Re: All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down
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Originally Posted by zantarous
Why does cable need to rely on encryption, surely with a true return path cable companies should be able to tell paying customers from ones that are using dodgy boxes?
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Because it's still a broadcast technology, not unicast.
The cable that comes into your house is shared, it's not a direct 1-to-1 connection, you take a tap off the same cable as your neighbours. So anything sent to you, is also sent to people in same neighbourhood who share the same cable.
This means that even if the platform was upgraded to a switched video system, where channels are only sent on request people with dodgy boxes could still watch channels that others within the same area have tuned to.
Even now with VOD, if you have a dodgy box you can tune to the VOD streams that are being used in your area and watch them. It's not that useful with VOD because you're reliant on someone watching what you want to watch when you want to watch it, but if all linear TV was delivered in the same way using SDV then you'd find the boxes were quickly upgraded to be able to view whatever channels are currently being sent to the area.
There has to be some sort of encryption on the wire to stop people taking advantage of that, you can only stop the boxes from using the return path to request channels, you can't stop them listening in on the cable for any that are being sent down it.
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17-05-2010, 12:58
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Re: All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down
Thanks thats a very good explanation and one that makes perfect sense.
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18-05-2010, 07:33
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18-05-2010, 10:09
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21-05-2010, 12:56
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21-05-2010, 13:03
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Re: All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down
Mine has just arrived as well. M41/32
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21-05-2010, 13:53
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Re: All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down
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Mine has just arrived as well. M41/32
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Bonus - mine should be there too when I get home then.
I know of 3 unhappy people now 
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21-05-2010, 14:39
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Re: All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down
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Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian
Bonus - mine should be there too when I get home then.
I know of 3 unhappy people now |
Well the couple that wind me up the most are still in denial. They are convinced the VM wouldn't cut their own throats and lose so many free loaders ... or 'potential customers' as they describe themselves .... before the end of the World Cup.
They smugly inform me that this new secure encryption rumour is just a diabolical scam by VM and that the new cards have already been cracked. Their contact for dodgy boxes has promised them a fix for any missing channels as soon as his brother-in-law's mate gets a couple of minutes to knock out some of his revised magic cards.
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21-05-2010, 15:53
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Re: All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down
Mine turned up this morning M22 area. time for all the free loaders to go Bye Bye
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21-05-2010, 16:23
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Re: All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down
Well, I turned over the TV t'other day and got the message about improving my TV and installing a new card.
This is Bromley, BTW.
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