Do Muslim kids visit churches as part of their education?

[punky]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Because it is not compulsory; don't belive everything you read.

If you are going to bait me and put me in the same bracket as Gary L then I suggest you read my posts again.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Hmm...shouldn't that at least give one an indication of the veracity of the text?

nope its the bedrock of this forum .

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by punky

If you are going to bait me and put me in the same bracket as Gary L then I suggest you read my posts again.

What on Earth are you on about?

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

What l believe in, is that NO one should be forced to do something, they don't want to do, l have beliefs, but l would not force that one anyone else, I am Cof E and my wife and family are catholic, but if l went to my wifes church, l would not be forced to go into that church, therefore l belive the teacher involved in the problem with this child, should go and have his head tested, for common sense.

By that church, I assume you mean a Catholic church?

As I said before, I would respect the "house rules" even if I didn't fully agree, and I wouldn't be forced in there either.

Plus I would not embarrass myself, family, or friends by not entering

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Because it is not compulsory; don't belive everything you read.

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Not all individual trips though, Maggy. When my children go to the local church, or to the village for a field trip, the school uses a general permission mandate that we complete at the beginning of each year.

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and yep my Meithrin uses once a year permision slips for trips to save loads of printing environmental me lol

But one can understand the school's motivation and reasoning.

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No one forced the child to do anything.

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The point is the mother's reasoning behind her decision was that she didn't want her daughter to, "dress like a Muslim." Not that she was being expected to pray or worship as a Muslim.

and thats her right too some will feel like me that only if you were required to do something like bowing or putting on a hat for a specific part of a service would i say no but others may feel that if they dont wear a hat normally they shouldn't have to

my feelings on whether these trips are good i already made buit i would add i think it seems to me that maybe if they had been given a lot more information on what and why they were being asked to wear there may have been less hassle any how

wrong order on answers lol

schools reasoning i am sure is very reasonable if viewed as them making sure they ticked every box ready for inspection ! but not so when it comes to explaining to parents or on what permision slips are if saying no means you are making your child a truant

which actualy is where i would have taken issue and refused the trip solely on those grounds offering to go to school to look after them if it was really being abandoned for the trip

i have taken this from the National society for promoting Religious education
http://www.natsoc.org.uk/schools/curriculum/nc/nc4.html

these guidlines are the ones that the school follows as they work hand in hand with the national curriculum

Guidance on educational visits can be found in the Department for Education Circular 22/94, section 2.
In addition, the following should be considered when visiting places of worship:

• For many Church schools visits to church will be highly significant. It may be for a service at a special time; for a period of quiet reflection; or as part of a class activity.
• Whatever the purpose of the visit, it is helpful for the pupils to have a short time in order to capture some sense of the building. All churches can be places of reflection, it is important therefore for pupils to experience sacred space.
• Visits to other religious places of worship should also be conducted with respect. Pupils will need, on some occasions, to be instructed what to wear and how to behave. The attitude to be encouraged is that as we believe 'our' church will be a special place and we treat it with reverence so we should respect places of worship for people of different faiths.

[Matth]

There's a National society for promoting Religious education??

What a totally pointless aim...

http://richarddawkins.net/articles/4...thout-religion

The more I see of religion, the more opposed I am to any teaching of it at all, I consider all organized religion to be a negative force.
And yes, I'll put my own leanings as UCTAA
http://www.uctaa.net/ourchurch/intro.html
As it sums up the whole ridiculousness of it all!

Getting back on topic, nobody comes out smelling of roses in this, allowances needed to be made for those who do have some objection.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

Visits to other religious places of worship should also be conducted with respect. Pupils will need, on some occasions, to be instructed what to wear and how to behave. The attitude to be encouraged is that as we believe 'our' church will be a special place and we treat it with reverence so we should respect places of worship for people of different faiths.

Interesting if you look at it from another angle.
just supposing it wasn't religion but something else. like say you believed in aliens and some believed in fairies, whilst others believed in lepricorns.

a group of fairy and alien believers had to go and visit a place where they believed in lepricorns. and to show respect for that visit you had to wear a green hat and a ginger wig.

religion is a powerful thing really. it affects people in so many ways whether you believe or you don't believe. you have to be taught it as part of a curriculum.

Originally Posted by Gary L

religion is a powerful thing really. it affects people in so many ways whether you believe or you don't believe. you have to be taught it as part of a curriculum.

actually gary that's incorrect ,children don't get taught religion at school they get taught ABOUT religion, totally different thing
I think it also has to be remembered that the parents and child are catholics ,she goes to a catholic school ,they are already religious so no one is forcing religion down anyones throat .

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

actually gary that's incorrect ,children don't get taught religion at school they get taught ABOUT religion, totally different thing

I'd say it was the same thing.
You get taught history, and you get taught about history.

I think it also has to be remembered that the parents and child are catholics ,she goes to a catholic school ,they are already religious so no one is forcing religion down anyones throat .

That's in reply to the mother in the story. not nothing I've said.

Originally Posted by Gary L

I'd say it was the same thing.
You get taught history, and you get taught about history.

I would disagree with you, Gary - one size does not fit all; there is a difference in being taught about something, and being taught it (practical versus abstract).

For instance, children are taught Arithmetic, English, French, etc, which allows them to use practical skills in Arithmetic, English, French, etc - they are taught about Religion, Ethics, Politics et al to (imho) give them knowledge of those areas to inform viewpoints, not to give them skills to be religious practitioners or politicians. (I won't get into the realms of metalearning and metathinking ).

Sometimes, learning is for the sake of knowledge, not just for practical application (but willing to be corrected on this by any practicing teachers on the forum).

Originally Posted by Gary L

I'd say it was the same thing.
You get taught history, and you get taught about history.

there is only one history ,there are many religions so if you say "they get taught religion" a natural response to that statement would be "which one" so schools teach "about religion" which includes all religions, it's all in the grammer not sure how old you are but when i was at school (state primary)we had morning assembly which included saying prayers and singing hymms this was counted in the compulsory religious education of each child ,this is what i would class as being "taught religion" ,when i started state comp that practice no longer happened but we still had to have compulsory R.E but it no longer included singing hymms and saying prayers but we were still taught "about religion"



That's in reply to the mother in the story. not nothing I've said.

i know , it was just a statement to the posters that seem to think that religion has been forced down this girls throat ,as a religious family (or appear to be by the type of school the girl goes to) that is not the case

[Gary L]

Everything in schools are 'taught' me saying "you have to be taught" does not mean you have to be taught to 'become' to 'be' religious.

lessons for today are P.E. maths, geography, french and R.E.
(Note to parents and the pedantic) R.E. is taught 'about'. your child is safe

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by Matth

...The more I see of religion, the more opposed I am to any teaching of it at all, I consider all organized religion to be a negative force.....

Like it or not, religion is an integral part of the society we live in today. I think children should learn about the various beliefs, even if it means wearing a headscarf for an hour or so.

Having a little knowledge about something is much better than living in complete ignorance.

I don't think there is a problem with ignorance of religion as long as it doesn't lead to intolerence of religion which it doesn't automatically. While i am happy that religion is there for those who want it i don't believe it is something that should be forced on kids or done in such a way that it is basically forced on them as this case if what is reported is true. I am ignorant of many faiths and their details but i am happy for them to exist and to be there for those who wish to have that faith and i would not appreciate being classed as a truant if i chose not to enter a religious building or did not want to wear something that was associated with a faith.

I don't think this is much of a story and think the school should have been able to accomadate however many parents didn't want their kids to go without classing them as truants if they did not attend all seems a bit ott for me.