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**Hugh** · 13-05-2010, 15:41

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

So if this does happen, all those who voted for the current govenment CANNOT complain about it.

Why should we complain? Difficult decisions have to be made, and we have to balance the books.

danielf · 13-05-2010, 15:44

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

I don't think the tax threshold affects the lower earnings limit for national insurance.

If so, the NIC increase would cost those on 10K about Â£50 a year, the threshold increase would benefit them about Â£750, which would leave them Â£700 to spend on increased VAT.

Just kidding re. the VAT, I think the threshold increase is a very good thing.

papa smurf · 13-05-2010, 15:45

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

So if this does happen, all those who voted for the current govenment CANNOT complain about it.

its all Browns fault .

**Hugh** · 13-05-2010, 15:48

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Originally Posted by danielf

If so, the NIC increase would cost those on 10K about Â£50 a year, the threshold increase would benefit them about Â£750, which would leave them Â£700 to spend on VAT.

And IF there was a 2.5% increase in VAT, they would need to spend Â£28k on vatable goods before they were worse off.

danielf · 13-05-2010, 15:49

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

And IF there was a 2.5% increase in VAT, they would need to spend Â£28k on vatable goods before they were worse off.

Which is why I said I was kidding and think the threshold increase is a good thing (though that was an edit)

peanut · 13-05-2010, 15:53

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Why should we complain? Difficult decisions have to be made, and we have to balance the books.

It seems whatever changes are made (for the worse obviously) probably wouldn't affect you or your lifestyle that much, so you have the luxury of accepting the decisions made. Those that aren't as comfortable as you probably won't just agree to what's thrown at them. Why should 'we' complain? We'll I think you're speaking for yourself. Those that lose their job etc, should they accept it without complaint, just because as you say, difficult decisions have to be made.

Hom3r · 13-05-2010, 15:54

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Why should we complain? Difficult decisions have to be made, and we have to balance the books.

And yet again the motorist gets shaffed, and pays more.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

its all Browns fault .

So the fact the world markets have collapsed is Browns fault

**Hugh** · 13-05-2010, 16:00

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Originally Posted by peanut

It seems whatever changes are made (for the worse obviously) probably wouldn't affect you or your lifestyle that much, so you have the luxury of accepting the decisions made. Those that aren't as comfortable as you probably won't just agree to what's thrown at them. Why should 'we' complain? We'll I think you're speaking for yourself. Those that lose their job etc, should they accept it without complaint, just because as you say, difficult decisions have to be made.

It affects me (my salary is frozen, my bills are still increasing), it affects my wife the same way (0.5% pay increase), it affects my 18 year old and my 23 year old, and it will affect our "lifestyle".

However, should we ignore the fact that we owe Â£178 billion, and haven't got the money to spend as a country - the over-spending pigeons have come home to roost, and we have to pay off our debts (or at least reduce them a bit).

And the "complain" was in response to

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all those who voted for the current govenment CANNOT complain about it

you're right - I should have said "I won't complain".

Xaccers · 13-05-2010, 16:03

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

And yet again the motorist gets shaffed, and pays more.

Again, VAT is not only applicable to fuel.
Get a better fuel pump and use SVO or even WVO.

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

So the fact the world markets have collapsed is Browns fault

He disbanded the organisations which were around under the last Tory government to keep an eye on things and regulate the banks, and put us in a financial position that would make weathering the storm extremely painful.

Fresnillo · 13-05-2010, 16:04

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

So the fact the world markets have collapsed is Browns fault

World? Nope. The Aussie banking system did not collapse, the British did.

Brown was the chancellor for donkey years overseeing the Banks. Even a blind Bank regulator (or with one eye) should have seen the collapse coming....

Hom3r · 13-05-2010, 16:16

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Again, VAT is not only applicable to fuel.
Get a better fuel pump and use SVO or even WVO.

Yes but everytime the motorist gets hit first, and I bet in the emergency budget fuel duty will get hit yet again.

Well as I'm out of work I cannot afford to spend any cash.

My car is 4.5 years old so doesn't need a pump and at the moment a full tank lasts a month.

But if I get the 6 month contract I'm after I have worked out that the fuel cost based on Â£1.23 per litre I will spend Â£1,500 in six months on diesel.

What is SVO, WVO?

I guess these are Vegetable Oil based diesels, if so my car cannot take them without damaging the engine (so I have been told) and I won't even consider it, unless the Ford dealer says so.

papa smurf · 13-05-2010, 16:19

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

And yet again the motorist gets shaffed, and pays more.

So the fact the world markets have collapsed is Browns fault

iv'e had to listen to its thatchers fault for long enough ,its gordo's turn on the rack for the next twenty odd years .

and his financial genius got us where we are- don't blame the whole world

Hom3r · 13-05-2010, 16:27

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

iv'e had to listen to its thatchers fault for long enough ,its gordo's turn on the rack for the next twenty odd years .

and his financial genius got us where we are- don't blame the whole world

I never blamed thatcher, plus who can GB be blamed for the last 20 years when Labout was only in for 13?

What I was saying is that all the worlds markets have fallen, and even if GB was completely incompetant, he cannot be blamed for other countries.

13-05-2010, 16:29

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

Yes but everytime the motorist gets hit first, and I bet in the emergency budget fuel duty will get hit yet again.

Well as I'm out of work I cannot afford to spend any cash.

My car is 4.5 years old so doesn't need a pump and at the moment a full tank lasts a month.

But if I get the 6 month contract I'm after I have worked out that the fuel cost based on Â£1.23 per litre I will spend Â£1,500 in six months on diesel.

What is SVO, WVO?

I guess these are Vegetable Oil based diesels, if so my car cannot take them without damaging the engine (so I have been told) and I won't even consider it, unless the Ford dealer says so.

agreed ,i use a tank every 5 days (80 litres) on average and coupled with lower wages it will be a big increase in my fuel bill ,the gov should not increase the duty on fuel ,it will cause a lot more hardship than just replacing the fuel pump and using alternatives can cure ,that is far too simplistic a view

Angua · 13-05-2010, 16:32

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Originally Posted by martyh

agreed ,i use a tank every 5 days (80 litres) on average and coupled with lower wages it will be a big increase in my fuel bill ,the gov should not increase the duty on fuel ,it will cause a lot more hardship than just replacing the fuel pump and using alternatives can cure ,that is far too simplistic a view

The other thing forgotten with fuel rises are increased costs to the supermarkets and public transport. So even switching to the bus is not an option.