[Update] The Liberal-Conservative Coalition - Page 11

Ignitionnet · 12-05-2010, 10:25

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Originally Posted by danielf

Aaah, the marvels of 'weak and inefficient government'

Mercifully they seem to have put the task at hand ahead of tribal politics. I am optimistic and really hope that it stays that way.

We'll see if the initial fears were correct though, but yes I'm enthusiastic given the signs so far. It still has the potential to be weak and inefficient, here's hoping I was wrong.

I was always wanting an elected HoL. It's an affront to democracy that it was any other way and the HoL is made for PR.

Flyboy · 12-05-2010, 10:30

I suppose one positive is that idiotic excuse for a human being, Michael Gove, won't have a job in cabinet.

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I have heard that they have made an agreement to have a fixed term parliament. Now, with "Dave's" manifesto promise of being able to recall government, if they are not doing there jobs properly, has that gone out the window.

iadom · 12-05-2010, 10:31

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Originally Posted by peanut

As I voted Labour, at least I can say if the Tory/Lib Dems screw up and make a bigger mess of things

That implies that you are accepting that Labour have made a mess of things.

danielf · 12-05-2010, 10:39

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Mercifully they seem to have put the task at hand ahead of tribal politics. I am optimistic and really hope that it stays that way.

We'll see if the initial fears were correct though, but yes I'm enthusiastic given the signs so far. It still has the potential to be weak and inefficient, here's hoping I'm wrong.

I was always wanting an elected HoL. It's an affront to democracy that it was any other way and the HoL is made for PR.

True. The lithmus test will be if they can co-operate on future difficult decisions. It's relatively easy to hammer out the initial package as the giving and taking takes place at the same time. It also makes it easier to sell unpopular measures to the grassroots by saying these were necessary to get the other party onboard. It remains to be seen ho much real trust and genuine willingness to cooperate there will be down the line, but so far, I'm optimistic.

The unelected Lords are an anachronism, so it's great to see them go. It's one of the things one would have expected Labour to fix a long time ago. Instead it's the Tories and Lib Dems that do it.

Oh, and 60% of those who voted voted for the for one of the parties in power. That's got to be a good thing...

**Chris** · 12-05-2010, 10:40

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

I suppose one positive is that idiotic excuse for a human being, Michael Gove, won't have a job in cabinet.

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I have heard that they have made an agreement to have a fixed term parliament. Now, with "Dave's" manifesto promise of being able to recall government, if they are not doing there jobs properly, has that gone out the window.

The Tory policy was recall of MPs to face a by-election, not recall of an entire Government. Recall of Government already exists - Parliament can take a vote of no confidence. That, incidentally, will remain the case even under a five-year fixed parliament. In fact, it will now be the only way to trigger a general election in less than 5 years.

I understand that recalling individual MPs is going to be part of the overall electoral reform package the coalition is to put forward.

Flyboy · 12-05-2010, 10:44

But if enough MPs are re-called, that will surely trigger a GE.

Will21st · 12-05-2010, 10:46

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

I suppose one positive is that idiotic excuse for a human being, Michael Gove, won't have a job in cabinet.

I don't like the guy either.... however Sky News reported he may be the new Home Secretary! (shudder)

Flyboy · 12-05-2010, 10:47

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Originally Posted by Will21st

I don't like the guy either.... however Sky News reported he may be the new Home Secretary! (shudder)

Oh dear God!!!

Jimmy-J · 12-05-2010, 10:52

I remember feeling excited 13 years ago the day Blair entered No10, that excitement soon wore off.

Let's hope something good comes from this new setup, judging from history/experience, I very much doubt it.

PMQ's should be fun.

**Damien** · 12-05-2010, 10:52

When do you think we will see the House of Lords details? Will it go to referendum? I want this done soon, so we are ready for it. I am very happy with this!

Flyboy · 12-05-2010, 10:58

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Originally Posted by Damien

When do you think we will see the House of Lords details? Will it go to referendum? I want this done soon, so we are ready for it. I am very happy with this!

I wouldn't hold your breath. Can't see the Tories wanting to risk their majority in the House of Lords being whittled away by the plebs, can you?

**Chris** · 12-05-2010, 11:05

Flyboy, have you by any chance been locked in a barochamber for the past 24 hours?

Flyboy · 12-05-2010, 11:07

Kind of, I have been locked in a school hall helping SEN children with their SATs.

**Chris** · 12-05-2010, 11:09

Then you really need to tune into the BBC News channel and browse the news websites a bit first. You seem to be missing a lot of detail about the nature of the coalition that are important if you want to develop an informed opinion of what's unfolding today.

Ignitionnet · 12-05-2010, 11:52

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Originally Posted by Chris

Then you really need to tune into the BBC News channel and browse the news websites a bit first. You seem to be missing a lot of detail about the nature of the coalition that are important if you want to develop an informed opinion of what's unfolding today.

Since when did some Labour voters need an informed opinion? Why bother with that when one can have past prejudices and their own ideology? If the previous thread showed nothing it was the tenuous basis on which some voted Labour. It was either all about a Conservative PM from 20 years ago, about mistaken beliefs on Tory welfare policy, mistaken thoughts on Tory civil liberties policy, or just a sense of entitlement and the fear that the tax payer wouldn't keep suckling under anyone bar Labour.

I felt masochistic so read the diatribe from disgruntled voters here.

It's... tragic really how poorly informed people seem to be, not least because of their total indifference to the country's present economic issues. Me, me, me, nasty Tories cutting services, nasty Tories won't let me leech welfare, nasty Tories will raise our taxes and give it all to their rich friends, waaaaaaah, give me my unpaid for services and welfare.

The whole 'Big Society' is going to be a tough thing to accomplish when society has so many small people in it whose only ambition in life is to avoid work and whose main hobbies are watching daytime TV, being obnoxious and engaging in jealous reverse snobbery with those who work for a living and are financially better off.

What is with this whole reverse snobbery thing? Frankly it's getting up my nose. When did it become such a crime to better oneself, and why is it so accepted to look down on those who worked their way up to something better, and why is it considered fine to have no desire at all to better oneself or one's lot in life but instead to settle down to a life of living off the tax payer or working a job you hate, living in a life you hate, and whining jealously about those who have bettered themselves.

If it were just those who were born with a silver spoon in their arse that are getting complained about I'd be fine but it's everybody who isn't 'working class' who gets complained about. How dare people want a better life.

OK I feel better now.