2010 General Election: The Cable Forum Exit Poll - Page 47

Sirius · 08-05-2010, 22:08

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Originally Posted by danielf

Just look at what Labour did to our civil liberties. .

Indeed look what labour did to the whole country

Flyboy · 08-05-2010, 22:31

Why doesn't Clegg put the question to the party membership? Surely that would be more democratic than just him and a few select senior MPs making the decisions.

Sirius · 08-05-2010, 22:32

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

Why doesn't Clegg put the question to the party membership? Surely that would be more democratic than just him and a few select senior MPs making the decisions.

wonder how long that will take.

danielf · 08-05-2010, 22:34

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

Why doesn't Clegg put the question to the party membership? Surely that would be more democratic than just him and a few select senior MPs making the decisions.

Are you being silly for the sake of it? He's got to broker some kind of deal before putting it to the membership. They can then agree or disagree.

**Maggy** · 08-05-2010, 22:34

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

Why doesn't Clegg put the question to the party membership? Surely that would be more democratic than just him and a few select senior MPs making the decisions.

Because they might possibly say no.

**Chris** · 08-05-2010, 22:35

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

Why doesn't Clegg put the question to the party membership? Surely that would be more democratic than just him and a few select senior MPs making the decisions.

He will: http://www.channel4.com/news/article...policy/3640887

Flyboy · 08-05-2010, 22:38

Although it sounds a little complexed, it's better than just a few people making that decision. It also absolves him if it all goes tits up.

nomadking · 08-05-2010, 22:39

If Clegg & co were that concerned about democracy they would insist that any major constitutional issue such as PR should be decided using a referendum and that any England only matters would be decided by only English MPs with a Conservative led English Parliament/administration(ie the Lib-Dems would keep out of votes on England only matters).

Hiroki · 08-05-2010, 22:55

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Did you ever think of checking? All you had to do was google "Tory Tax Credit Policy" and you would get 81k plus results, and even the first one, from the Daily Hate, states
If you were deceived by G Brown, you have to admit you were partially to blame by believing anything any politician said without checking....

I'm totally to blame but it was constantly drummed into me from various sources and my hate for Cameron took over and lead me off on one

sir_drinks_alot · 08-05-2010, 22:55

Rolf Harris's saw this comeing !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhnhhzGLbR4

Dai · 08-05-2010, 23:28

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08-05-2010, 23:55

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Originally Posted by dainasty

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Tezcatlipoca · 09-05-2010, 00:39

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Originally Posted by nomadking

If Clegg & co were that concerned about democracy they would insist that any major constitutional issue such as PR should be decided using a referendum and that any England only matters would be decided by only English MPs with a Conservative led English Parliament/administration(ie the Lib-Dems would keep out of votes on England only matters).

Well, first off, the Lib Dems do want a referendum on introducing PR!

[They also want: a written constitution, subject to final approval in a referendum; an In/Out referendum the "next time next time a British government signs up for fundamental change in the relationship between the UK and the EU"; and a referendum on joining the Euro if it is ever determined to be economically worthwhile to do so]

Also, going back to earlier mentions of PR by other people: It is important to note that there is not one single basic "PR" system, such as the "party list" system many use as an example, there are many types, with different pros & cons.

The system favoured by the Lib Dems (and by the Electoral Reform Society, and by Conservative Action for Electoral Reform...) is the Single Transferrable Vote (STV):

http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/article.php?id=48

http://www.conservativeelectoralreform.org/STV.htm

As for England: The Lib Dems want a more Federal UK, with more decentralisation of power, & want to address the status of England during a Constitutional Convention to draw up a written constitution for the whole UK.

And also... "the Lib-Dems would keep out of votes on England only matters"???? Erm, do you not realise that there are many Lib Dem MPs in ENGLAND?! (my own MP in Cambridge being one of them... Unless Cambridge & other LD-held constituencies have been moved to another nation within the UK without me or anyone else realising?

)

papa smurf · 09-05-2010, 08:11

General Election 2010: Gordon Brown 'launched telephone rant' at Nick Clegg

It was claimed Mr Brown's approach was to begin "a diatribe" and "a rant" and the source said the Labour leader was "threatening in his approach to Nick Clegg".

Mr Clegg was said to have came off the phone assured that it would be impossible to work with Brown because of his attitude towards working with other people.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/elec...ick-Clegg.html

Sirius · 09-05-2010, 08:25

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

General Election 2010: Gordon Brown 'launched telephone rant' at Nick Clegg

It was claimed Mr Brown's approach was to begin "a diatribe" and "a rant" and the source said the Labour leader was "threatening in his approach to Nick Clegg".

Mr Clegg was said to have came off the phone assured that it would be impossible to work with Brown because of his attitude towards working with other people.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/elec...ick-Clegg.html

Bigot gate all over again