2010 General Election: The Cable Forum Exit Poll - Page 46

08-05-2010, 15:56

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

It says the Dark Lord's cynical disinformation worked looking at this thread. The lies on tax credits and other things were quite effective.

What does it say about the past 13 years under Labour that the only viable way to fight a campaign was with half-truths and outright lies?

You do realise that if Labour had achieved the share of the vote to Tories had they would have had a quite significant majority?

What does it say about Labour that the only thing that prevented the Tory majority was that the present election system is biased towards Labour?

Disappointing from the Conservative point of view, however I'm hoping that LibCon can get it together and ensure that Labour don't get to trash the economy ever again. Last two times they've been in power they've done a sterling job of doing just that.

All well and good wittering on about public services, the bit that Labour tend to forget is that these have to be paid for at some point and the more people government are employing the lower the tax revenues from private sector, but hey minor issue.

Well i was on doorsteps thursday and never once mentioned the tories were going to get rid of tax credits,the tories kept it quite in their manifesto however even jeremy hunt did not seem to know that they planned to bring the retirement age forward STARTING with men what does that say about tories and equality.

Our local candidte for the tories sent out literature saying he was glad to live in the town,when in fact he does not. half truths and lies well the tories must be innocent liitle lambs on that one.

The lib dems well yes i am for their unfair tax reforms especially the council tax if they can hold out for that and get ken clarke as chancellor and not George Osborne.

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Immigrant vote hitting the spot.

Not going to happen, all too many Scots are still obsessed with Thatcher and consider Labour a cash cow, especially given the strong Scottish influence in the Labour party.

Well i found a few down here still obsessed with thatcher!!!!!!! But if the tories do get a stronger influence they had about 10 mps in scotland at one time then they they would have a bigger influence.

Hom3r · 08-05-2010, 15:59

Well it looks like Lib Dem voters are protesting outside Lib Dem HQ over the fact they might be getting in bed with the Tories.

**Chris** · 08-05-2010, 16:52

BBC man said he'd never seen placards with pie charts on them before.

08-05-2010, 16:56

Thanks for the reply Maggy i was waiting for your response as you would know for sure the position

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Tezcatlipoca · 08-05-2010, 16:56

Liberal Conspiracy - Why a Con-Lib coalition might be good for the Left

Some good points, IMO.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

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I despise The Sun. I don't like Gordon, but I think someone needs to explain to James Murdoch & Rebekah Brooks (nÃ©e Wade) just how our system works.

**Maggy** · 08-05-2010, 17:40

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Thanks for the reply Maggy i was waiting for your response as you would know for sure the position

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It's a teacher or lecturer's job to be neutral and to encourage their students to think for themselves,to read between the lines and to be aware that politicians and the media slant the truth for their own ends.It's not for them to show case their own propaganda about whatever issue it is that they have a particular interest.

If say a vegetarian teacher wants to highlight an issue like animal welfare they must present ALL viewpoints not just the one that suits their own particular beliefs.

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Originally Posted by punky

Surely that's the problem? Teachers are paid to teach the curriculm not raise issues and try and dress it up as neutrality?

You are rather jumping to conclusions. In RE ethics is part of the syllabus.In Food Technology such subjects are covered.In PHSE it is part of the curriculem.It is not teacher's dreaming up issues to teach to the students.

And now you have removed your post...

Anyway we are getting OT.

Peter_ · 08-05-2010, 18:00

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Originally Posted by Chris

BBC man said he'd never seen placards with pie charts on them before.

Well he should go to Wigan then.

Stuart · 08-05-2010, 18:55

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

The Liberals have formed governments too, and they can again if they work harder. FPTP does not prevent that.

In theory, no, it does not.

In practice, however, it does. The problem with FPTP is there are a lot of areas that are staunch labour or tory strongholds. As such, people living in those areas who wish to vote for other parties (such as myself) often get the feeling their vote doesn't count.

Another reason with FPTP doesn't work is that it allows sparsely populated areas (such as rural constituencies) to have the same influence as densely populated areas. How is this fair? It means a small village with 100 residents can have the same influence on the election as a large London Borough (which might have 200,000 residents).

The problem the Liberals have is not so much attracting voters (they actually attract as many voters as Labour), more that the voters they attract tend to be more spread out.

**Hugh** · 08-05-2010, 19:19

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

In theory, no, it does not.

In practice, however, it does. The problem with FPTP is there are a lot of areas that are staunch labour or tory strongholds. As such, people living in those areas who wish to vote for other parties (such as myself) often get the feeling their vote doesn't count.

Another reason with FPTP doesn't work is that it allows sparsely populated areas (such as rural constituencies) to have the same influence as densely populated areas. How is this fair? It means a small village with 100 residents can have the same influence on the election as a large London Borough (which might have 200,000 residents).

The problem the Liberals have is not so much attracting voters (they actually attract as many voters as Labour), more that the voters they attract tend to be more spread out.

Stuart, I'm not sure I understand your point about 100 voters in a rural constituency having the same influence as 200k voters in a city.

If the 100 country dwellers are part of Richmond (North Yorkshire), which has 79.5k voters (approx) there, and Hackney has 73k approx (in fact, Leeds Central has 63k and Leeds East 55k, both inner city areas), I don't see how their votes can have the same influence as 200k voters in a city - but I am willing to admit I might be missing something?

Down the Pub · 08-05-2010, 20:22

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Originally Posted by Masque

Well he should go to Wigan then.

that's eating pie's - not using crayons to draw them on cards

nomadking · 08-05-2010, 20:48

Do the Lib-Dems actually benefit in terms of voter numbers from FPTP? Seeing as they present themselves in several areas as the alternative to the sitting MP's party.

08-05-2010, 20:51

i heard on the news today that one of the big concerns with PR is that hung parliaments will become more common were as with FPTP they are very rare do others agree with this ?

Derek · 08-05-2010, 20:54

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Originally Posted by martyh

i heard on the news today that one of the big concerns with PR is that hung parliaments will become more common were as with FPTP they are very rare do others agree with this ?

I'd imagine it would make hung parliaments almost a certainty. The other issue I can see is that MP's would be selected from lists rather than by constituency which would make it harder to kick out useless ones.

**Damien** · 08-05-2010, 21:29

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Originally Posted by Derek S

I'd imagine it would make hung parliaments almost a certainty. The other issue I can see is that MP's would be selected from lists rather than by constituency which would make it harder to kick out useless ones.

Select lists is only one form of PR and would involve some people not being MPs in the idea they represent a consistency. Under the Lib Dem system (STV) it's actually easier to kick out useless MPs because safe seats would be very rare.

danielf · 08-05-2010, 22:06

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Originally Posted by martyh

i heard on the news today that one of the big concerns with PR is that hung parliaments will become more common were as with FPTP they are very rare do others agree with this ?

Yes, it's pretty much a certainty. Politicians get used to it though. It would mean a move from politics being about slagging off the other party to a more consensus based politics. It's not a problem in Germany, Netherlands et al. so why should it be a problem here?

Frankly, I find the idea of not having a hung parliament frightening. Just one party in power that has five years to push through whatever legislation it sees fit? Just look at what Labour did to our civil liberties. That would be unlikely when two parties need to agree on policies.