The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4 - Page 28

Xaccers · 03-05-2010, 22:25

Funny, whenever I've heard a Tory being interviewed they've discussed the matter at hand, while the Libs and Labs have just said the others are terrible and should be feared.

**Damien** · 03-05-2010, 22:33

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Funny, whenever I've heard a Tory being interviewed they've discussed the matter at hand, while the Libs and Labs have just said the others are terrible and should be feared.

The Tories have gone on about how a hung Parliament would be a disaster which included an advert fronted by a guy pretending to be Clegg, they were in conversations with their friends in the press on how to deal with Clegg a day before all four of them slammed him in the headlines and they were just as gulity as the other parties for avoiding much mention of the cuts they will need to make.

I don't think many people will buy the narrative that the Tories just want to discuss the matters at hand somehow.

**Hugh** · 03-05-2010, 22:35

Gordon Brown gave an impressive, impassioned speech at the Citizens UK election "assembly" today - quite impressive.

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Gordon Brown comforted a teenage girl who broke down in tears while speaking at the Citizens UK event. Well, her name is Tia and both her mother and grandmother are cleaners at the Treasury. She talked about the difference a living wage would make to them. "They could afford English classes so they could speak easy with my teachers. If they were paid a living wage then we wouldn't have to eat lentils for a week. If they were paid a living wage my mum could afford the tube and I would see her for three hours more everyday."

Then Gordon said, if he stayed in power, he would increase the minimum wage more than required over the next parliament to help people like Tia's family - I wonder why he didn't do it during the 10 years he was in charge of the Treasury, or during the last three years?

danielf · 03-05-2010, 22:35

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Funny, whenever I've heard a Tory being interviewed they've discussed the matter at hand, while the Libs and Labs have just said the others are terrible and should be feared.

You've not seen the debates then?

Edit: Tory PEB (Hung Parliament Party). No FUD here.

**Damien** · 03-05-2010, 22:36

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Then Gordon said, if he stayed in power, he would increase the minimum wage more than required over the next parliament to help people like Tia's family - I wonder why he didn't do it during the 10 years he was in charge of the Treasury, or during the last three years?

Well he/they did introduce the Minimum wage and have increased it at a couple of points..?

**Hugh** · 03-05-2010, 22:36

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Well he/they did introduce the Minimum wage and have increased it at a couple of points..?

However.......

If he felt that strongly about it, why didn't he do before what he's proposing to do now?

**Damien** · 03-05-2010, 22:39

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However.......

If he felt that strongly about it, why didn't he do before what he's proposing to do now?

But he did do something about it. He introduced it? They have also increased it before. I don't know why they didn't increase it again but I don't think Labour can be accused of inaction over the Minimum wage...

**Hugh** · 03-05-2010, 22:40

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But he did do something about it. He introduced it? They have also increased it before. I don't know why they didn't increase it again but I don't think Labour can be accused of inaction over the Minimum wage...

Sorry, I'm not explaining myself well - if this is a Labour Policy, why isn't in the Manifesto? Or is he going for the emotional vote (being nice to a crying 14 year old and her aged granny)?

The point the 14 year old was making that the minimum wage isn't enough in London (and I agree with her, and funnily enough, so does BoJo) - I haven't heard any strident Labour voices for the London Minimum Wage, have you?

(up till two days before the election, that is).....

**Damien** · 03-05-2010, 22:42

BTW It is probably more disgusting that anyone in employment cannot afford the tube and has to ration their food in the manor described.

**Hugh** · 03-05-2010, 22:43

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BTW It is probably more disgusting that anyone in employment cannot afford the tube and has to ration their food in the manor described.

Agreed

**Damien** · 03-05-2010, 22:46

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Sorry, I'm not explaining myself well - if this is a Labour Policy, why isn't in the Manifesto? Or is he going for the emotional vote (being nice to a crying 14 year old and her aged granny)?

The point the 14 year old was making that the minimum wage isn't enough in London (and I agree with her, and funnily enough, so does BoJo) - I haven't heard any strident Labour voices for the London Minimum Wage, have you?

(up till two days before the election, that is).....

Oh fair enough. If they broke promises in the manifesto then you sure as hell can't expect them to keep non-manifesto promises. It does seem like a opportunistic vote-grab in that sense.

Although I would think Labour are more likely to do something about it than the Tories.

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What's even worse is that she works for a government department! Bad enough when companies try to take advantage of the workforce but unforgivable when it's your own government! They need her to come into Central London so pay her dam fare and a fair wage FFS.

Xaccers · 03-05-2010, 22:51

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Originally Posted by Damien

The Tories have gone on about how a hung Parliament would be a disaster which included an advert fronted by a guy pretending to be Clegg, they were in conversations with their friends in the press on how to deal with Clegg a day before all four of them slammed him in the headlines and they were just as gulity as the other parties for avoiding much mention of the cuts they will need to make.

I don't think many people will buy the narrative that the Tories just want to discuss the matters at hand somehow.

And it transpired that none of the personal attacks that appeared in the papers against Clegg originated from Tory HQ.

As I said, whenever I've heard Tories interviewed they've slammed policy rather than person, with the exception of Gordo as he's responsible for much of what's gone wrong, being the PM.
Contrast that with Lib/Lab, where rather than tackling the other parties' policies head on, instead they claim things which were never said (similar to how Arthur has been doing).
Even the local candidates are at it. The flyer from our MP (Tory) covered what he'd done, what he would continue to do. The ones from the lib/labs barely mentioned what they'd do if elected, with the lib one going as far as to claim that a Tory vote would be wasted saying they couldn't win here!

**Chris** · 03-05-2010, 23:05

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Gordon Brown gave an impressive, impassioned speech at the Citizens UK election "assembly" today - quite impressive.

I've just heard it. It struck me that he sounded like a leader of the Opposition, fighting for a chance to put his vision into practice. What a pity that he is in fact the leader of the Government, who has already had 13 years to do just that.

Time's up, Gord.

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Still watching that news item as a matter of fact ... LMAO at Atheist Clegg speaking from a lectern with a Cross on it.

Xaccers · 03-05-2010, 23:06

Clegg's more agnostic, or at least that's what he described when asked why he didn't follow a faith.

danielf · 03-05-2010, 23:10

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And it transpired that none of the personal attacks that appeared in the papers against Clegg originated from Tory HQ.

Really? Do you have a link for that?