The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by mikegreen

Yep.

The mentality of the real Conservative agenda seeps through the cracks to reveal a more sinister shadow lurking behind DC's shiny "new" rhetoric.

Please don't agree with something I didn't say. I was referring to all of them and to be honest the dirtiest campaign has by some distance been Labour's, as expected both given who is running it and the relative lack of positives from Labour's governance, their only really viable course of action to be to run a dirty campaign as they can hardly point at the previous 13 years and say 'Hey look at how well we've done'. Some successes of course but at tremendous cost and largely lost among a long list of failures, erosions of civil liberty, huge amounts of wasted money.

How anyone can comment on speculated sinister shadows and agendas given Labour's well documented authoritarian social engineering and tides of half-truths and sleaze over the past parliament is a mystery to me. Pots, kettles, black, stones, glass houses, etc.

I prefer dealing in facts rather than vague suspicions based on propaganda from political opponents.

[punky]

Its concerning but won't affect my vote. I don't live in Sutton and Cheam so my vote won't have any bearing on wether she comes in or not.

However I can see this affecting the Tories coming in via Lib Dems put off from voting tactically or in favour of some kind of Tory-Lib Dem coalition.

Now we're really getting the FUD....

Says Shaun Woodward, Labour NI Secretary

"There's a substantial risk to the peace process" if the Conservatives win the election, says Northern Ireland Secretary Shaun Woodward. He tells Sky News that Tory cuts to public spending would damage community policing.

Disgusting!

(will try and find a link)

[Ignitionnet]

Vote Labour or you will die.

The Tories will restart the Northern Ireland troubles, the Lib Dems will let us get nuked.

Straight from the Republican / GOP play book this stuff. Still as I said before when you can't rely on your own record as it's frankly largely excrement and can't tell people the truth about your future plans as they involve the same big spending cuts you are using as ammunition against the Tories what can you do?

[Halcyon]

Unfortunately my local MP is Keith Vaz so I for one will NOT be voting for him.

Get Labour out. They have been running things far too long!

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I watched The politics show' this morning, and the question come up about immigration, and not one of the three parties gave a decent answer on the question.

The Lib Dems want to bring in a card system, that only if illegals have been in this country longer than Ten years, will they be granted amnesty, BUT the biggest argument for is, IF this was STOPPED, there are gangs out there who will still get round the guidelines and bring in illegals, we must STOP immigration, as this country is over run, and cannot take anymore. And no party can achieve that, they are all hot air.

[Ignitionnet]

We absolutely need a degree of immigration to fulfil skills shortages and for other reasons. The issue was the degree of unproductive immigration and the lack of controls not immigration per se.

There's also the minor issue of the EU.

We can't just put up walls, would be intensely counter-productive. We need to reduce unskilled immigration so that we have net unskilled emigration while at the same time having skilled immigrants filling short term needs.

This does, of course, require that the millions of Brits who think that they are too good for unskilled work and would rather sit on their arse watching Jeremy Kyle fill the jobs that immigrants are doing at the moment, and that all the trades jobs that immigrants do good jobs over at more sensible rates than the overpriced and/or indifferent British workers get filled by people who learn their trades, give a toss about the job they are doing and don't want to try and charge a hundred quid an hour for drinking your tea and picking their nose.

If the work weren't there millions of these immigrants wouldn't be here, and the work has been there because the British didn't want to do it.

So how does stopping all immigration resolve the issue that millions of jobs would have been unfilled due to unskilled / semi-skilled British having no work ethic while a large proportion of those that have come in have turned up, taken the jobs, worked hard, paid their taxes, made a few quid then gone home?

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

Unfortunately my local MP is Keith Vaz so I for one will NOT be voting for him.

Get Labour out. They have been running things far too long!

I would be very happy if Keith Vaz didn't get back in...

[Dai]

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Now we're really getting the FUD....

Says Shaun Woodward, Labour NI Secretary
Disgusting!

(will try and find a link)

I don't know what he's so worried about ... if he thinks the times are a-changing, surely he can simply cross the floor and re-join the Tory party.

Although I suspect they'll be less willing to parachute him into a safe seat than nu-Liebour were.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Now we're really getting the FUD....

Says Shaun Woodward, Labour NI Secretary
Disgusting!

(will try and find a link)

I've heard Brown doing simliar with respect to the health service, benefits, etc, etc..

New Labour reverting to type (if indeed they ever tried being honest in the first place). They're losing, they're desperate and they'll say anything to save their pathetic skins. Is there anyone out there who still believes this sort of guff?...

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Originally Posted by Halcyon

Unfortunately my local MP is Keith Vaz so I for one will NOT be voting for him.

Get Labour out. They have been running things far too long!

Amen to all of that. Vaz is as slimey and hyprocritical as they come!

[Arthurgray50@blu]

The Sun has always voted Tory, have you noticed there polls have put Tories 10 clearer than any other polls, l am still going for the shocker, A Lib Dem victory.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The Sun has always voted Tory, have you noticed there polls have put Tories 10 clearer than any other polls, l am still going for the shocker, A Lib Dem victory.

Except in 1970, 1997, 2001, and 2005, when they supported Labour - but why change the habit of a lifetime and let facts spoil your rant, Arthur.

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Now we're really getting the FUD....

Says Shaun Woodward, Labour NI Secretary
"There's a substantial risk to the peace process" if the Conservatives win the election, says Northern Ireland Secretary Shaun Woodward. He tells Sky News that Tory cuts to public spending would damage community policing.
Disgusting!

(will try and find a link)

Easily the worst moment of the campaign.

Having met keith vaz albeit briefly i cannot think of an mp that less deserves to regain his seat the man is creepy being polite and his ability to say one thing in front of cameras and recorded media and say the complete opposite off the record surpasses that of most politicians we have ever seen. For me there should be no such thing as a safe seat make them damn well earn every single one and maybe then we will get the type of politician we want but some people are so stuck in their blinkered ways they will never do that.