Blair Peach murderer esapes justice

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

I wonder what would have happened if we didn't have camera phones at the G20 last year, would we still be lamenting the ineffectual nature of internal police investigations in twenty-forty? Would we have been as outraged at the death of Ian Tomlinson. Would we have even be told that he met his death at the hands of the riot police, or would we just be sad that a man died of a heart attack?

Hmmm, I wasn't aware the report into his death had been concluded/made public. Obviously you aren't pre-judging what happened and will ignore whatever might come out in the future.

Anyway seeing I only put a quick couple of lines on this morning before heading off to work I suppose I should expand it a bit.

First up Policing was completely different 30 years ago than it is today both in terms of equipment, tactics and the relationship between the police and public. A lot has changed, some changes are better and some worse than before.

Second as I'm sure most of you know and has been pointed out for a criminal charge to be proven it needs to be beyond all reasonable doubt. A charge of 'yeah we reckon he did it, or one of them did' won't work.

Anyway seeing some people are convinced the police of 30 years ago are corrupt, fabricated evidence and stitched folk up what makes you think this report is the 100% gospel truth.

Originally Posted by Derek S

Hmmm, I wasn't aware the report into his death had been concluded/made public. Obviously you aren't pre-judging what happened and will ignore whatever might come out in the future.

Anyway seeing I only put a quick couple of lines on this morning before heading off to work I suppose I should expand it a bit.

First up Policing was completely different 30 years ago than it is today both in terms of equipment, tactics and the relationship between the police and public. A lot has changed, some changes are better and some worse than before.

Second as I'm sure most of you know and has been pointed out for a criminal charge to be proven it needs to be beyond all reasonable doubt. A charge of 'yeah we reckon he did it, or one of them did' won't work.

Anyway seeing some people are convinced the police of 30 years ago are corrupt, fabricated evidence and stitched folk up what makes you think this report is the 100% gospel truth.

well the fact it says it was most likely a police officer that dealt the deadly blow for a start although it could be coving something up much worse I spose

Originally Posted by Flyboy

would we still be lamenting the ineffectual nature of internal police investigations in twenty-forty?

What is twenty-forty?

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Chris

What is twenty-forty?

Thirty one years since Tomlinson.

Originally Posted by zing

oh thats ok then at least no one died .... oh wait a minute....

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from my former link

pretty damning dont you think? afteral they have witnesses

Sorry - the point I was trying to make was that in our Justice System, for someone to be guilty of a crime, it has to be "beyond reasonable doubt"; that is not the standard of proof that is being offered, and surely everyone is entitled to the same treatment, be they in uniform or not.

However, I think the case should be re-opened and re-investigated.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Derek S

Anyway seeing some people are convinced the police of 30 years ago are corrupt, fabricated evidence and stitched folk up what makes you think this report is the 100% gospel truth.

Yep that's why they were disbanded because they were whiter than white.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by zing

it would have probably come out in the wash a number of years later and then no charges for anyone involved

Is it possible, that is what they are waiting for, with the death of Ian Tomlinson. Things do seem to be dragging on a bit. It has been, what, just over a year and still nothing

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Originally Posted by Derek S

Hmmm, I wasn't aware the report into his death had been concluded/made public. Obviously you aren't pre-judging what happened and will ignore whatever might come out in the future.

Anyway seeing I only put a quick couple of lines on this morning before heading off to work I suppose I should expand it a bit.

First up Policing was completely different 30 years ago than it is today both in terms of equipment, tactics and the relationship between the police and public. A lot has changed, some changes are better and some worse than before.

Yes some things are different, but a lot of things have stayed the same. People are still being beaten and are dying at the hands of the police, at protests.

Second as I'm sure most of you know and has been pointed out for a criminal charge to be proven it needs to be beyond all reasonable doubt. A charge of 'yeah we reckon he did it, or one of them did' won't work.

Hmm, one of things that hasn't changed much on thirty years. This sort of thing never stopped the police back in the seventies, did it.

Anyway seeing some people are convinced the police of 30 years ago are corrupt, fabricated evidence and stitched folk up what makes you think this report is the 100% gospel truth.

Do you really want a list of cases that were concluded on such a basis?

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Originally Posted by Chris

What is twenty-forty?

Thirty years from now.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Thirty years from now.

I have a plug-in, USB numeric keypad you can borrow if your own number keys are broken.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Yes some things are different, but a lot of things have stayed the same. People are still being beaten and are dying at the hands of the police, at protests.

Yep you can't move at protests these days for the bodies left 10 and 20 deep by the cops.

Quick question for you. How many people have died at the hands of the Police during protests in the last 20 years. And I am looking for actual 100% the police were responsible and not just a 'Yeah they might have done it'.

How would you deal with protests like G20, G8, May Day, Poll Tax etc. where there are hard core activists intent on causing havoc? Let them away with it and mop up afterwards or actually deal with things there and then and accept that very occasionally bad things might happen.

[Flyboy]

I have been asked why I think that Blair Peach was murdered. I shall tell, those who asked, why. It has been thirty-one years, almost to the day, since the death of Blair Peach, in the interceding years the police officer who killed him, has had ample time to admit his role in the death of this innocent man. The other five police officers have conspired with the killer to cover it up and still do today. If the killer had come forward in the days, weeks even months following his death, I could have accepted a charge of manslaughter to be appropriate, but to hide, like the coward he obviously is, makes him a murderer.

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Originally Posted by Derek S

Yep you can't move at protests these days for the bodies left 10 and 20 deep by the cops.

Quick question for you. How many people have died at the hands of the Police during protests in the last 20 years. And I am looking for actual 100% the police were responsible and not just a 'Yeah they might have done it'.

How would you deal with protests like G20, G8, May Day, Poll Tax etc. where there are hard core activists intent on causing havoc? Let them away with it and mop up afterwards or actually deal with things there and then and accept that very occasionally bad things might happen.

I have no idea, I would have thought that unless it had been recorded on camera, it would have been impossible to tell. What police officer is going to admit he killed someone, if he didn't get caught?

The law does not agree with you - it is the forethought, not the lack of actions afterwards that make it murder.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Chris

I have a plug-in, USB numeric keypad you can borrow if your own number keys are broken.

No need, if you like though, I can find you a link to an online dictionary.

lnik?

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

lnik?

Maybe I should have looked for one first.

Duly corrected now though

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

I have been asked why I think that Blair Peach was murdered... in the interceding years the police officer who killed him, has had ample time to admit his role in the death of this innocent man...but to hide, like the coward he obviously is, makes him a murderer.

Probably just as well you aren't a prosecution lawyer, someone who is late returning a library book would end up in front of a firing squad.

Anyway this was being discussed at work today and someone who has been involved with some pretty heated incidents came up with (IMO) a very relevant point.

In the heat of the moment, where things are all going very, very wrong all around you it might be entirely possible the person responsible might not have even known they struck the fatal blow. From seeing the video footage and reading the accounts Peach didn't drop straight away and may well have stumbled away after being hit with the person responsible for the injury not knowing the extent of his injuries.