Should Corporal Punishment Be Brought Back ?

it's all well and good saying bring back corporal punishment and it will solve al our problems but i don't think it will .I think the time has long gone when it would be possible to reintroduce it without having riots on our hands .It should never have been taken away in the first place and the parents right to discipline should not have been eroded the way it has and looks like being eroded a bit more judging by this story

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

it's all well and good saying bring back corporal punishment and it will solve al our problems but i don't think it will .I think the time has long gone when it would be possible to reintroduce it without having riots on our hands .It should never have been taken away in the first place and the parents right to discipline should not have been eroded the way it has and looks like being eroded a bit more judging by this story

Let them bring in a total ban. I'll just sit back and watch the whole country go to pot and hear the usual phrase. if you can't control your kids without smacking then you have problems.

the problem will become everyone's now.

can you imagine the kids when this gets through in their own kid forum. they'll be shouting we're untouchable. and actually acting like they're more untouchable than they are already.

God help Britain

Originally Posted by Gary L

Let them bring in a total ban. I'll just sit back and watch the whole country go to pot and here the usual phrase. if you can't control your kids without smacking then you have problems.

the problem will become everyone's now.

can you imagine the kids when this gets through in their own kid forum. they'll be shouting we're untouchable. and actually acting like they're more untouchable than they are already.

God help Britain

well my 13yr old threatens to sue me at least twice a week for being too harsh on him when i turn his computer off and force him to go outside for some fresh air

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

well my 13yr old threatens to sue me at least twice a week for being too harsh on him when i turn his computer off and force him to go outside for some fresh air

The reality of this. when you put aside the control and upbring of kids. is, you/him/her or me so much as lay a finger on them and you'll be down that cop shop so fast your feet won't touch the floor.

they'll be the states untouchables. and they will rub our noses in it.

can't wait for government figures to come out in a few years to disprove my theory of what caused this country to get the way it will.

Originally Posted by Gary L

The reality of this. when you put aside the control and upbring of kids. is, you/him/her or me so much as lay a finger on them and you'll be down that cop shop so fast your feet won't touch the floor.

they'll be the states untouchables. and they will rub our noses in it.

can't wait for government figures to come out in a few years to disprove my theory of what caused this country to get the way it will.

it would be interesting to know how other euro countries are fairing with their offspring as most already have this total ban ,and if they are doing better, why

[Dai]

Originally Posted by martyh

it would be interesting to know how other euro countries are fairing with their offspring as most already have this total ban ,and if they are doing better, why

Trouble is, we only have government statistics to compare these sort of issues and we all know what they're worth..

Originally Posted by DaiNasty

Trouble is, we only have government statistics to compare these sort of issues and we all know what they're worth..

very true i'm going to do some digging and see what i can find because i firmly believe that fundamentally children are the same the world over ,it's upbringing and culture that determine how they mature

[budwieser]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Let them bring in a total ban. I'll just sit back and watch the whole country go to pot and hear the usual phrase. if you can't control your kids without smacking then you have problems.

the problem will become everyone's now.

can you imagine the kids when this gets through in their own kid forum. they'll be shouting we're untouchable. and actually acting like they're more untouchable than they are already.

God help Britain

So, Do you have children Gary L?

[punky]

And just in time for the election.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...king-europe-uk

The UK will come under increasing pressure to ban all smacking and corporal punishment of children as the European human rights body steps up pressure for a change in the law.

The Council of Europe – which monitors compliance with the European convention on human rights – will criticise the UK because it has not banned smacking more than 10 years after a ruling in 1998 that the practice could violate children's rights against inhuman and degrading treatment.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by budwieser

So, Do you have children Gary L?

No

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by Gary L

No

Maybe if you did you'd be a little less eager to beat them, where else in the world does a democratic country still beat their kids with lengths of bamboo cane?
I had the cane whilst at school in the 70's, being caught with cigarettes was deemed to warrant six strokes on the backside, and it did absolutely nothing to deter bad behavior so much so that boys would opt for four of the cane instead of a Saturday morning detention, which was far worse in our eyes.
All corporal punishment does is desensitize a child to violence, if a teacher has to resort to beating a child nobody wins, corporal punishment belongs well in the past.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

Maybe if you did you'd be a little less eager to beat them,

I wouldn't want to beat them. I'd just smack them.
this is the story we are talking about. you need to follow the thread properly.

Originally Posted by frogstamper

Maybe if you did you'd be a little less eager to beat them, where else in the world does a democratic country still beat their kids with lengths of bamboo cane?
I had the cane whilst at school in the 70's, being caught with cigarettes was deemed to warrant six strokes on the backside, and it did absolutely nothing to deter bad behavior so much so that boys would opt for four of the cane instead of a Saturday morning detention, which was far worse in our eyes.
All corporal punishment does is desensitize a child to violence, if a teacher has to resort to beating a child nobody wins, corporal punishment belongs well in the past.

Detentions don't work either.They maybe disliked but eventually they just don't have the punch and they fail to work as a DETERRENT to the rest of the school population.This is what people forget.Punishment is supposed to work on two levels and if the punishment is not a deterrent then it's not a complete success.Then you get more of the school's disaffected thinking that the punishment isn't so bad and that it's worth getting caught.

It's pretty much what many people think is wrong with the present judicial system and the penal system.

The only thing that seems to work for a short time is inclusion/seclusion where the miscreant is kept under the eye of the senior management in a seclusion room where they get the work they would have been doing that day and they get no chance to see friends around the campus because they get separate break times etc.

[Horace]

On one occasion when I was at school (early 80's), something was written on the blackboard about the teacher - won't say exactly, anyway nobody would admit to it or say who had written it mainly because it was written before we'd entered the classroom as far as I could tell. The whole class was given the option of an hours detention or the slipper(for boys) or ruler across the hand (for girls). Pretty much everyone opted not to have detention.

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I wouldn't want to beat them. I'd just smack them.
this is the story we are talking about. you need to follow the thread properly.

I'm sorry you have trouble following a thread Gary, corporal punishment is the cane in school as much as smacking a child is, maybe you'd be better off if you could expand your mind a little.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_punishment

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Detentions don't work either.They maybe disliked but eventually they just don't have the punch and they fail to work as a DETERRENT to the rest of the school population.This is what people forget.Punishment is supposed to work on two levels and if the punishment is not a deterrent then it's not a complete success.Then you get more of the school's disaffected thinking that the punishment isn't so bad and that it's worth getting caught.

It's pretty much what many people think is wrong with the present judicial system and the penal system.

The only thing that seems to work for a short time is inclusion/seclusion where the miscreant is kept under the eye of the senior management in a seclusion room where they get the work they would have been doing that day and they get no chance to see friends around the campus because they get separate break times etc.

That last paragraph sounds a far better alternative to the hour after school or the three hours on a Saturday morning detention that I remember.
Detention after school was no real hardship because you did it with others, also it was usually filled with pointless exercises like lines or an essay where every letter had to be written in a different colour, only to be ripped up in front of you at the end of detention. "Life were ard in my day Maggy"
At least with seclusion the child is doing something worthwhile, instead of some pointless task purely designed to humiliate.