Ban the burkha ?

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Interesting approach by the French police to burqa wearing driver

I think the police officer was totally correct, anything covering the head with only a slit for the eyes is bound to impede somebodies driving ability.
Irrespective of the restrictive vision, it can't be good to also have the ears covered as well, maybe with just the ears covered and the eyes totally unrestricted it may well compensate but for anybody to claim that their driving ability isn't restricted by wrapping cloth around their head with a only slit for vision is insane...or course it is.
I don't know what the law is in Britain concerning this, hopefully common sense prevails and its illegal, if this women wants to make a statement by wearing this mark of separation thats her choice, but if she wants to drive then dress sensibly, surely its simple common sense?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Interesting approach by the French police to burqa wearing driver

Cops said she could not wear the Islamic veil as its narrow slit for the eyes "reduced her field of vision" behind the wheel.

I always wondered why this has never happened here. you can't have any peripheral vision when wearing something like that.

Police in Nantes, in the west of France, today fined a Muslim woman for driving whilst wearing a veil after she was stopped for driving through two sets of red lights and narrowly missing a young child trying to cross the road.

A police spokesman explained that the officers concerned suspected the woman's range of vision was being severely hampered by the veil when one of them leaned through the driver side window and asked for her driving licence.

"The woman was clearly startled and rapidly twisted her head from side to side before asking, 'Who said that?'" reported Officer Jacques Clouseau of the Nantes Traffic Division. "She obviously couldn't see either me, my partner or the police car with blue flashing lights parked in front of her."

Lawyers acting on behalf of the woman said at a press conference that they intend appealing the fine as they believe it is 'a breach of her human rights'. "It is unbelievable that in a, supposedly, secular society this woman is being discriminated against because of her religious beliefs." said Mr Fast Buck, the woman's solicitor.

In response to a counter claim by police lawyers that human rights work both ways and that the safety of other road users and their 'human right to life' had to also be considered, Mr Fast Buck replied, "Life, and death, is not something decided by a bunch of pompous bureaucrats in posh suits, it is the 'will of Allah'. Their point is irrelevant to this case."

The woman, who was also present at the press conference, had little to say except to read a short statement given to her by one of the 12 brothers who accompanied her to the meeting.

"I freely and of my own volition choose to wear the veil. It is an important part of my religious identity and is integral to protecting the honour of my family."

This was followed by a rather uncomfortable moment for the woman when a representative of Amnesty International questioned whether she really had 'free will' in the matter. The woman's eyes quickly glanced at one of her 'brothers', who was playfully bouncing a small rock in his hands, before answering, "Absolutely, 100% my own choice."

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[Ignitionnet]

Dear oh dear.

"I freely and of my own volition choose to wear the veil. It is an important part of my religious identity and is integral to protecting the honour of my family."

Uh-hu.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Discussed that with my gf yesterday evening.
If the slits were small enough to restrict vision, and one would expect the police to test this rather than just fining her on an opinion (similarly our cops test the darkness of tinted windows rather than just working on an opinion that they are too dark), then a fine of £18 is suitable imho.

Indeed. I don't think the police should take action based on opinion. Not sure if they can. Opinion is too open to variation. One officer may consider a slit too small that another thinks is fine.

[Marydoll]

The full face veil should be banned as apart from anything else it is anti social.
Lets not forget however that many Muslim women is Iraq are endangering their lives for their freedom from the Taliban. It is true that nowhere in the Koran does it stipulate that the bhurka should be worn. As for the Paradise with the many virgins waiting for suicide bombers speaks volumes of the Talaban attitude to women. The laws of this country should not be bent for any section. Many countries are not so tolerant.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Marydoll

The full face veil should be banned as apart from anything else it is anti social.

So in other words, ban it because you don't like it? Because some of your culture considers it anti-social?

Originally Posted by Marydoll

Many countries are not so tolerant.

That's right. So let's drag ourselves down to their level hey?

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Gary L

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.c...dline=s1i73758

Bumhole, thanks for adding that bit after I'd posted.

Originally Posted by Marydoll

The full face veil should be banned as apart from anything else it is anti social.
Lets not forget however that many Muslim women is Iraq are endangering their lives for their freedom from the Taliban. It is true that nowhere in the Koran does it stipulate that the bhurka should be worn. As for the Paradise with the many virgins waiting for suicide bombers speaks volumes of the Talaban attitude to women. The laws of this country should not be bent for any section. Many countries are not so tolerant.

Things that are anti-social that aren't banned -
People playing music so loud you can hear it, even though they are wearing headphones
People getting totally ratted on a night out, then vomming everywhere and screaming and shouting
Wearing trousers so low we can see bum-cracks (shudder....)
Taking/making a mobile phone call whilst paying in a shop
People who don't shower/bathe properly before they catch public transport
etc etc

Shall we ban them?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

So in other words, ban it because you don't like it? Because some of your culture considers it anti-social?

Some Muslims segregate 'themselves' and want us to fall into line with their way of thinking. it should be the other way around, they should be putting theirselves out to mix with us. their religion and belief is not compatible with the
modern Western culture.

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Bumhole, thanks for adding that bit after I'd posted.

LOL sorry. I thought it was obvious anyway

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Some Muslims segregate 'themselves' and want us to fall into line with their way of thinking. it should be the other way around, they should be putting theirselves out to mix with us. their religion and belief is not compatible with the modern Western culture.

Absolute rubbish Gary, even for you. There is room in Britain for all kinds of cultures.

In Port Talbot there's a group of French ex-pats who rarely mix with anyone else but they get together on sunday mornings in the summer to play Pétanque, they drink their French wine. Are they bothering anyone else with what they do? No. A woman wearing a burkha is not trying to get others to fall in line with anyone else. They're just using following their culture in the UK just like people from other countries and faiths do. You're showing yourself to be truly intolerant but I'm guessing you'll just say you didn't actually agree with that post, you just copied from another site.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

but I'm guessing you'll just say you didn't actually agree with that post, you just copied from another site.

Yes. I copied it from another site. that's why it's in quoted form.

[Mr Angry]

Gary, what in your opinion is "modern western culture"?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Yes. I copied it from another site. that's why it's in quoted form.

Thought so. Utter rubbish.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

People who don't shower/bathe properly before they catch public transport
etc etc

Shall we ban them?

Dam right we should

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Marydoll

Lets not forget however that many Muslim women is Iraq are endangering their lives for their freedom from the Taliban.

The Taliban are in Iraq???