Airports closed as volcanic ash drifts toward UK

Originally Posted by Flyboy

I don't think the safety of millions of people is an overreaction.

oh come on flyboy airplanes fly through ash clouds all the time only the realy dense ones will cause a airplane to drop out of the sky .

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

But I strongly belive they will fight every single claim they receive. The are also likely to charge customers for processing claims, as well.

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What part of that are you with. That they should not have closed the airspace?

That they shouldn't have to pay exhorbitant compensations costs.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by martyh

oh come on flyboy airplanes fly through ash clouds all the time only the realy dense ones will cause a airplane to drop out of the sky .

Aeroplanes do not fly through ash clouds all the time. They are quite rare, especially in this part of the world. The cloud does not have to be very dense for glass deposits to form on jet turbine blades. This is why the aircraft were grounded in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

That they shouldn't have to pay exhorbitant compensations costs.

No one is asking them to pay exorbitant compensation to anyone, only what is reasonable.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

No one is asking them to pay exorbitant compensation to anyone, only what is reasonable.

Well if someone has bought a £40 flight ticket, but can then potentially reclaim 5 days hotels and meals costs. I consider that unreasonable.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

I don't think the safety of millions of people is an overreaction.

No, that isn't. The length of the closure was, however. Especially as it seems the closure was based on a limited amount of data about the ash.

[gazzae]

If a flight is cancelled or you cannot get on the flight due to the airline, i.e. overbooking, crew strikes etc then the airline should have responsibility to find you hotels, meals etc
If it is cancelled due to something outside their control i.e. natural disaster, ATC strike then they should not have to provide hotels, food etc.

After all how can an airline like easyjet factor in the possibility of having to pay for 15,000 hotel rooms and meals for up to 5 days to their business plan. You can say they have insurance, but insurance costs money.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

No, that isn't. The length of the closure was, however. Especially as it seems the closure was based on a limited amount of data about the ash.

I thought the closure was based on (seemingly) overly strict international regulations which have since been relaxed?

In the meantime:

Training flights on RAF Typhoons in Lincolnshire have been suspended after ash deposits were found in one aircraft's engines.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8637978.stm

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Landed in luton from lisbon just over am hour ago. Was supposed to have been on a flight to gatwick on sunday and the next available flight into a proper london airport was not till next week.
Easyjet put up all its stranded passengers in lisbon in a 5 star hotel, with meals so it wasn't too bad. I did speak to some BA PASSENGERS who were only provided accommodation for 3 days, after which they were on their own.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Aeroplanes do not fly through ash clouds all the time. They are quite rare, especially in this part of the world. The cloud does not have to be very dense for glass deposits to form on jet turbine blades. This is why the aircraft were grounded in the first place.

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No one is asking them to pay exorbitant compensation to anyone, only what is reasonable.

FLyboy ,the ash clouds from any volcano stay in the upper atmosphere for years circling the globe for decades ,heavier particles sink to the ground within a few days ,so if your trying to tell me that planes do not encounter ash from volcanoes on a regular basis then that is rubbish
As i said only the concentrated ash is capable of scouring the screen or shutting down an engine .Most pilots on this forum
http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...-merged-7.html cannot understand the thinking behind closing the air space in the way it has been done ,even they say that there has been some major ass covering simply because there is no data available from the met office as to how dense this cloud is ,they can't understand why they weren't allowed to fly lower

a typical quote from a pilot

It's all a storm in a teacup. It has now gotten so far out of hand that they won't admit they were wrong.
Still it has been amazing flying for us over the last few days!!

and another

It is a stupid lawyer-ish over-reaction. I am sure there is zero risk to any aviation anywhere in Europe - so long as the plume coming out of the volcano is avoided (which is easy; everybody knows where that is).

The amazing thing is that the airspace owners have been able to shut everything down without having evidence of the risk to aircraft and without even making an apparent effort to find out. I reckon they are going to get sued big-time by the airlines. I hope they do get sued.

and another disillusioned pilot

If you are able to fly in UK you are lucky. I have just spoken to the duty officer at the Danish CAA and they said the only thing flying in Denmark are the birds.
I flew round the cloud VFR on Thursday fron BIRK and was in severe clear all the way to Danish boundary but was forced to divert.
Been sitting under clear blue skies ever since. Can see my destination! Totally unjustifiable overreaction. Problem is they can't backtrack now without being seen to be alarmist. Bird Flu, Salmonella, Mad Cow disease, WMD all come to mind.
Director of safety at Danish CAA not working today as it is Sunday.
Who are these guys?

like i said a gross overreaction

Frankly the whole point is moot as planes are still taking of and landing perfectly safely in the same conditions that applied during the ban.

So Flyboy why bother arguing the point? Why not agree to disagree?

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Frankly the whole point is moot as planes are still taking of and landing perfectly safely in the same conditions that applied during the ban.

So Flyboy why bother arguing the point? Why not agree to disagree?

because that would negate the point of the discussion aspects of this forum

[iFrankie]

Slightly off topic But isn't this pic amazing of the volcano

Originally Posted by iFrankie

Slightly off topic But isn't this pic amazing of the volcano

thats a beautiful picture ,wonder if the plane that took it fell out of the sky

Originally Posted by martyh

because that would negate the point of the discussion aspects of this forum

DISCUSSION!

More like arguing for the sake of arguing..Just like a bunch of teenagers that try to chop logic so as to get their own way or point of view accepted.

Adults however learn to compromise and sometimes compromise means just accepting you cannot change the facts or someone's opinion.

So who is going to walk away first?

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Adults however learn to compromise and sometimes compromise means just accepting you cannot change the facts or someone's opinion.

You're clearly not paying any attention to the Election Campaign then