Ban the burkha ?

[Kymmy]

Final and only warning

Either keep it both on topic and sensible (talking to everyone here) or simply don't post at all.. It's getting to a point where this sort of behaviour is happening more and more and you've all been warned enough in other threads..The forum will not tolerate it any more

[the_neurotic_cat]

I think that multi-culturalism should be done with the consent of the people. No nation is under any obligation to have thier land turned into a microcosm of the world.

I think that Racism is a symptom (one of many) of resentment and anger at a rapid change that is perceived as a risk.

I'll also make a suggestion.Anyone who cannot stand another poster has a very good recourse in the ignore function.

Which can be found in the user CP panel over on the left under settings and options where it says edit ignore list.You just click on it and add the name of the one you wish to ignore.Then you never have to read another post from them.(unless some helpful soul quotes them) and even then you just can slide over those.

So why not try it for at least a short while.

Before I became a Mod I had up to 10 people on ignore..it led to a very peaceful life.

Originally Posted by the_neurotic_cat

I think that multi-culturalism should be done with the consent of the people. No nation is under any obligation to have thier land turned into a microcosm of the world.

I think that Racism is a symptom (one of many) of resentment and anger at a rapid change that is perceived as a risk.

i would agree to a certain extent with that assessment .I think that (in this country)the change to a multi cultural nation has been rapid especialy over the last 20 yrs and not enough thought gone into how we will support them .This imo leads to a racist undertone because people believe it is being forced upon them ,which in a way it is .

[Arthurgray50@blu]

This is becoming a country where, when we walk down the street we are scared to stare, talk or even mention about different faiths etc, and now we have a long discussion on the burka.

Quite simply we are in a 'hole' where we have to keep our mouths shut and shouldn't say anything, otherwise people get offended by anything, IF a motorcyclist goes into an office or shop, they are told either take it off, or you cannot come in, due to SECRUITY, this should apply to ANYONE who covers there face or head, irrespective of who they are.

I get really fed up to the back teeth, when people say, its our faith, absolute tosh, if MY secruity is at risk, then so be it. Many faiths say that there is NOTHING, in writing, in any bible, that wearing a burka is part of there rule that they MUST wear it, so why wear it.

Arthur, except for your first sentence, I agree with your sentiments, if not your wording.

(try not to faint, there's a good chap )

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I'll also make a suggestion.Anyone who cannot stand another poster has a very good recourse in the ignore function.

Which can be found in the user CP panel over on the left under settings and options where it says edit ignore list.You just click on it and add the name of the one you wish to ignore.Then you never have to read another post from them.(unless some helpful soul quotes them) and even then you just can slide over those.

So why not try it for at least a short while.

Before I became a Mod I had up to 10 people on ignore..it led to a very peaceful life.

The ignore feature is all well and good, but I personally don't see the point in blanking other's viewpoint no matter how strange they are. The whole point in a discussion is to see/hear how other people's ideals and view differs, isn't that the whole point of a discussion forum.

The thing about forums, the more obscure or controversial the threads / posts are the more interesting and more views the forum / thread gets.

If you decide you only want to hear views that suit, it'll soon get a bit boring won't it.

Only my own opinion anyway.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I have just heard on Sky News, that the French PM has said that The Burka, WILL be banned in France, Are you listening GB.

Ban the Beret next you watch this is the thin end of the wedge , next thing they will ban me i'm overdue

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I have just heard on Sky News, that the French PM has said that The Burka, WILL be banned in France, Are you listening GB.

Wishful thinking, Arthur - he has ordered a debate on a potential law about this - BBC

French President Nicolas Sarkozy has ordered parliament to debate a law banning women from wearing full-face Islamic veils in public, officials say.

Originally Posted by peanut

The ignore feature is all well and good, but I personally don't see the point in blanking other's viewpoint no matter how strange they are. The whole point in a discussion is to see/hear how other people's ideals and view differs, isn't that the whole point of a discussion forum.

The thing about forums, the more obscure or controversial the threads / posts are the more interesting and more views the forum / thread gets.

If you decide you only want to hear views that suit, it'll soon get a bit boring won't it.

Only my own opinion anyway.

totally agree ,never used the ignore button ,don't ever intend to ,

Originally Posted by peanut

The ignore feature is all well and good, but I personally don't see the point in blanking other's viewpoint no matter how strange they are. The whole point in a discussion is to see/hear how other people's ideals and view differs, isn't that the whole point of a discussion forum.

The thing about forums, the more obscure or controversial the threads / posts are the more interesting and more views the forum / thread gets.

If you decide you only want to hear views that suit, it'll soon get a bit boring won't it.

Only my own opinion anyway.

Well I'm aiming my suggestion at those dummy spitter's that cannot read some CF members posts without seeing red and throwing all their toys out of the pram.

It is made with the suggestion of avoiding being infracted...It's no skin off my nose if some of our numbers get culled because they won't use the function.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

IF a motorcyclist goes into an office or shop, they are told either take it off, or you cannot come in, due to SECRUITY, this should apply to ANYONE who covers there face or head, irrespective of who they are.

I agree entirely on this point. I am a motorcyclist and I have to take of my helmet at petrol stations, banks and supermarkets etc.

I get really fed up to the back teeth, when people say, its our faith, absolute tosh, if MY secruity is at risk, then so be it. Many faiths say that there is NOTHING, in writing, in any bible, that wearing a burka is part of there rule that they MUST wear it, so why wear it.

On this point I say if they want to were a burka or full veil etc, then I think they should be entitled to wear one, as long as they respect the same rules that I have to when entering a Shop, petrol, station, bank, airport etc where they should take it off.

In normal situations such as walking down the road etc, people should be allowed to wear what they want. I have no objection to people being covered head to toe, if that is what they want to do. We should not ban the veil outright - that would be wrong.

But those that wish to dress this way, MUST, be prepared to remove it as per the situation examples above.

In addtion, they must also be prepared to expect to be asked to remove the veil in certain one to one situations, such as:

Doctor Surgeries, meeting with solicitors, making benefit claims, etc. Areas were identity must be proven etc. Remove or not be seen/ dealt with.

As long as they appreciate the reasons they need to do this, and comply, then otherwise I have no problem with them.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Pierre

But those that wish to dress this way, MUST, be prepared to remove it as per the situation examples above.

In addtion, they must also be prepared to expect to be asked to remove the veil in certain one to one situations, such as:

Doctor Surgeries, meeting with solicitors, making benefit claims, etc. Areas were identity must be proven etc. Remove or not be seen/ dealt with.

As long as they appreciate the reasons they need to do this, and comply, then otherwise I have no problem with them.

That's what it's all about. you have someone who wants to hide their face at all places where hiding your face is not allowed. to say that they are entitled to do it because of who they are or because that person wants to hide their face, is not good enough anymore.

rules are rules and they apply to all. you are not exempt because you're a paticular person.

[Kymmy]

One thing to note is that states like Saudi Arabia would for instance prohibit me from wearing certain items and even prevent me from driving.. And that's laws within a muslim country.. It's not religion but instead peoples interpretation of religion that they've enacted into laws.. Islamic persons should understand that we have laws here and as Gary says (can't believe I'm agreeing with him) they apply to everyone..

Talking about these laws I see that if the Belgiums can keep their coallition together then they might be the first country to introduce the ban.. (no idea as to what extent)

I'm not for a total ban but a law should at least be passed that proof of identity must be verified (especially in this day and age of biometrics) by all features (height, fingerprints, eye color and facial features..