The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by punky

I'm glad flyboy has his priorities right.

Anyone think he's really John Prescott posting under a pseudonym?

Sticking to very specific issues avoids the many failures of Labour during the past 13 years. Discussing Labour based on their record over the past 13 years as a whole would not be a great advertisement for them, quite the opposite it would likely dissuade most that haven't directly benefited on a local level from Labour's extensive authoritarianism, social engineering and skewing of the economy towards the public sector using money they don't have.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Hang on, that video says "with more police on the beat" but weren't Labour told off for adverts saying the same when it isn't true?

You mean this one that was banned a fortnight ago?

"We considered the overall impression of the ad was such that it was likely to be interpreted as suggesting that police officers, rather than only neighbourhood policing teams, were now spending at least 80% of their time patrolling the streets," said the ASA. "We noted however that was not the case [and] we [therefore] concluded that the ad was misleading.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

You mean this one that was banned a fortnight ago?

That's the one, so knowing that the statement is misleading, do Labour:

A) Never mention it again.
B) Make changes to police to meet the statement
C) Use it in media which is not regulated so they can freely mislead



I've been reading through the Tory manifesto, where they say teachers should have atleast a 2:2 degree. I was always under the impression that teachers had to have atleast a 2:1 when I was at school. Was this not the case? If so, it would explain several of my teachers...

[Osem]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

You mean this one that was banned a fortnight ago?

New Labour have lied and spun so often over the years that they don't recognise truth/honesty anymore!

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Sticking to very specific issues avoids the many failures of Labour during the past 13 years. Discussing Labour based on their record over the past 13 years as a whole would not be a great advertisement for them, quite the opposite it would likely dissuade most that haven't directly benefited on a local level from Labour's extensive authoritarianism, social engineering and skewing of the economy towards the public sector using money they don't have.

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Originally Posted by punky

I'm glad flyboy has his priorities right.

Anyone think he's really John Prescott posting under a pseudonym?

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Hang on, that video says "with more police on the beat" but weren't Labour told off for adverts saying the same when it isn't true?

Yeah but, yeah but, yeah but.....

[Hiroki]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Not registered?
Not British/commonwealth?

Both I thought....I was born on a Germany army base and for some reason I have German and English birth certificate but after going to the C.A.B they rang up a few places and turns out I can register to vote

Originally Posted by Hiroki

Both I thought....I was born on a Germany army base and for some reason I have German and English birth certificate but after going to the C.A.B they rang up a few places and turns out I can register to vote

Yup, you should be able to - both my kids from my previous marriage were born whilst I was based overseas with my wife, and they can vote.

[danielf]

Tory lead narrows amid huge voter disenchantment, Times poll finds

The general election race is tightening, according to a Populus poll for The Times that reveals deep public disenchantment with the campaign so far. The poll, undertaken yesterday and this morning, says that more voters are now hoping for a hung parliament than either a Tory or a Labour outright victory. Conservative support has slipped by three points over the past week to 36 per cent, while Labour is a point up at 33 per cent. The Liberal Democrats are unchanged on 21 per cent. The polls tend to fluctuate by a couple of points either way, and these shifts are within the margin of error of the average. With other new polls pointing to a firming in Labour support, the party may have enjoyed a small boost from its manifesto launch. Tory strategists will hope to have achieved a boost from its manifesto launch today.

If the Populus figures were repeated in the general election in three weeks’ time, and there is a uniform switch in votes, Labour would be the largest single party, with about 300 MPs, ahead of the Tories on 264 and the Lib Dems on 54. This would point to a Lab/Lib Dem coalition. But many analysts do not expect a uniform national swing.

The latest poll shows that 32 per cent of the public now hope for a hung parliament (as opposed to expecting one), against 28 per cent wanting a Tory majority and 22 per cent a Labour one. Lib Dem voters prefer a deal with Labour than the Tories in a hung parliament, by 44 to 31 per cent. The public is evenly split 40 to 42 per cent about whether they want Labour or the Tories in either a majority or a minority government.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7096632.ece

[Ignitionnet]

Good to know 32% of the population are idiots and 22% are either welfare whores, easily confused or ideologically diametrically opposed to me. Hung parliament would likely achieve nothing.

I can't make sense of the Polls at all. How are the Tories not steaming ahead in the manor New Labour did in '97? The polls have tightened considerably over the last year but there they never reached massive majority numbered and not, despite 13 years of the current government, they are quite close!

My first impression was that the numbers for the Tories would be quite higher with Tory voters less likely to admit it and being of a demographic which is harder to poll. Then I thought that's rubbish! For a start I think people would be more embarrassed to say they would vote Labour than Tory, and their supports are probably also contain demographics which are harder to poll. If anything the Labour support would be underestimated.

So what gives?! How come the Tories have been unable to reverse the decline in their poll support despite, what I thought was, a strong first week of campaigning?

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Good to know 32% of the population are idiots and 22% are either welfare whores, easily confused or ideologically diametrically opposed to me. Hung parliament would likely achieve nothing.

Personally, I like the idea of a hung parliament, as I don't like the idea of having one party in power that can pretty much decide to do what it want to do for the next 5 years.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by danielf

Personally, I like the idea of a hung parliament, as I don't like the idea of having one party in power that can pretty much decide to do what it want to do for the next 5 years.

Like it all you want nothing of any value will get done just as nothing was accomplished during the last hung parliament here.

I understand the Netherlands has had a nightmare due to similar conditions.

If you don't like a party doing what it wants the best solution would be two houses of parliament or similar, as it is with a hung parliament a lot of legislation wouldn't leave first base or would be severely mangled.

[broadbandking]

Originally Posted by Matt D

You're not the only one...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...nifesto-launch





I am genuinely curious as to which of the BNP's policies you consider to be "good"?

Not picking on you, or anything, just honest curiosity as to what you (or anyone else) would consider to be a "good idea" of the BNP?

And how, even if any of their ideas could be considered "good", you (or anyone) could justify their most definitely not-good ideas which would accompany any "good" ideas if they ever had any sort of power (given that the BNP are a racist party, given that they do not consider non-white Britons to be British & wish for them to sod off to their "country of ethnic origin", and given that the BNP's very raison d'etre is the creation of an overwhelmingly white-British United Kingdom by stopping & reversing non-white immigration etc. etc. etc.). You can't vote just for their "good" ideas, given that the whole point of the party is to implement their bad ideas.

As I said I will most likely vote UKIP, BNP's take on keeping british english is a good idea however goes too extreme for me, as people of a ethic are english as they are born here.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Like it all you want nothing of any value will get done just as nothing was accomplished during the last hung parliament here.

I understand the Netherlands has had a nightmare due to similar conditions.

If you don't like a party doing what it wants the best solution would be two houses of parliament or similar, as it is with a hung parliament a lot of legislation wouldn't leave first base or would be severely mangled.

Might be nice to see the Lib Dems have some power though. Personally I would love the civil liberty reforms proposed by them with the economic policy of the Tories (without the marriage rubbish).

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Damien

So what gives?! How come the Tories have been unable to reverse the decline in their poll support despite, what I thought was, a strong first week of campaigning?

Do not underestimate the gullibility of the UK electorate, or the mercenary value of those quite comfortable in Labour's 'State will look after you' system.

How is this thread running? isnt it week 2 now? Thread started on a Tuesday so today is the start of the second week??