Sleeves in hospitals are a health risk.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by deadite66

Muslim protesters 'will be allowed to throw their shoes'

We've already got that covered
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...ther-foot.html

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So we have two situations.
A) A small cross which may scratch a patient. Although I would have thought that other items such as pens could have the same effect.
B) Long sleeves which have been found to possibly spread bacteria some of which may have lead to patient deaths.
Which one doesn't get completely banned?

If there are valid grounds for banning something in general, then there isn't a valid case for exceptions.

Of course, it's all an anti-Christian conspiracy, in order to conquer the western world.

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Originally Posted by Spectato

I'd rather be in a clean hospital, but since they've seen fit to close two thirds of them, and pack us all in to the remaining ones, like sardines (in filth).....

If MRSA is present and prevalent, then the chances are you'll get it anyway (I'm a big strong lad, so not particularly worried).
I somehow doubt that 'sleeves' are the biggest risk factor.

Really? Must have missed that. Why hasn't "Dave" centred on this for his campaign?

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Really? Must have missed that. Why hasn't "Dave" centred on this for his campaign?

Because if he did and people started rambling on about it in this thread, and thus turning this thread into a 'party political' discussion, it would soon get the thread shut and those responsible infracted . . . probably

[Spectato]

I'd rather be in a clean hospital, but since they've seen fit to close two thirds of them, and pack us all in to the remaining ones, like sardines (in filth).....

If MRSA is present and prevalent, then the chances are you'll get it anyway (I'm a big strong lad, so not particularly worried).
I somehow doubt that 'sleeves' are the biggest risk factor.

Originally Posted by FlyBoy

Really? Must have missed that. Why hasn't "Dave" centred on this for his campaign?

More than that where I am (some rounding was involved).
Two major hospitals closed (one where I was born), various outpatient clinics and the Royal Naval hospital gone.
Just one big filthy behemoth (with premium car-parking) left.
Staffed exclusively by Muslims and serial-killer porters.

They were all closed pre-Blair.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Spectato

More than that where I am.
Two major hospitals closed (one where I was born), various outpatient clinics and the Royal Naval hospital gone.
Just one big filthy behemoth (with premium car-parking) left.
Staffed exclusively by Muslims and serial-killer porters.

No, seriously, when did they close two-thirds of the hospitals in the country?

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Originally Posted by Rob M

Because if he did and people started rambling on about it in this thread, and thus turning this thread into a 'party political' discussion, it would soon get the thread shut and those responsible infracted . . . probably

Aah, could the thread not be merged with the official thread?

I think Spectato was referring to his local area (he didn't state that, but he didn't state it was the whole country either, so I could see how "confusion" could occur).

[Spectato]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

.... seriously, when did they close two-thirds of the hospitals in the country?

Nice adornment, except I never said that.

Thanks FW.

[Ramrod]

If there is a decent medical case to be made for keeping arms bare to the elbow then I don't think anyone should be exempt from the rule.
If someone feels that they cannot comply with the rule (for whatever reason) then surely their conscience should force them to change careers......since they are putting their patients at increased risk.
If they choose to ignore the rule, in spite of knowing that it puts their patients at increased risk, then we have to question their fitness to work in that sphere.....

[Flyboy]

Surely there are sterile disposal sleeves which could be used?

[nomadking]

How often would they have to be changed? Who pays for them?

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Surely there are sterile disposal sleeves which could be used?

To be paid for by whom exactly?

[Flyboy]

Sorry, but it was just a thought.

Perhaps the savings in having to fight ignorance might get to pay for them. Or perhaps them not having to keep people in hospital, due to secondary infections, might go towards paying for them?

[nomadking]

Of course, the ignorance that you think needs fighting, is to make sure that everyone understands that long sleeves help spread infections.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Surely there are sterile disposal sleeves which could be used?

Which you can wear over your original sleeve. hence making the rule bare skin from the elbow downwards an untruth.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Surely there are sterile disposal sleeves which could be used?

From the link in the OP

The revised rules, issued on March 26, make clear that staff can wear uniforms with long sleeves as long as they roll them up securely above their elbows to wash and when they are on the wards.

They add that staff who want to cover up completely when dealing with patients will be able to use special disposable ‘over-sleeves’.

The guidance says: ‘Where, for religious reasons, members of staff wish to cover their forearms or wear a bracelet when not engaged in patient care, ensure that sleeves or bracelets can be pushed up the arm and secured in place for hand-washing and direct patient care.

‘In a few instances, staff have expressed a preference for disposable over-sleeves – elasticated at the wrist and elbow – to cover forearms during patient care activity.

‘Disposable over-sleeves can be worn where gloves are used but strict adherence to washing hands and wrists must be observed before and after use.’