Politically Correct person makes man kill himself. - Page 4

TheNorm · 11-04-2010, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Chris

Taking offence and losing a limb in an industrial accident are far from being even a bit alike.

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Originally Posted by DaiNasty

Actually it's nothing to do with that at all. Safety rules can be a matter of life and death. A few light-hearted words between friends are not in the same league by any stretch of the imagination.

Erm, isn't the whole thread about a man losing his life?

Anyway, how about this question: can employees make any comments they like in the workplace, provided no-one complains?

Stuart · 11-04-2010, 19:40

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Originally Posted by DaiNasty

Since I have seen and heard such language between black colleagues yes I would say that is entirely acceptable. It's up to the people involved to decide what is acceptable and absolutely NOT the business of any 3rd party to involve themselves.

Would you feel the same way if the comment had been used in a bullying way? Would you accept someone potentially being bullied because it "was not your business"?

It may not have been immediately obvious to the 3rd party that the comment was used amongst friends.

11-04-2010, 19:42

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

Erm, isn't the whole thread about a man losing his life?

Anyway, how about this question: can employees make any comments they like in the workplace, provided no-one complains?

as long as common decency is maintained yes ,because as long as no complaints are made then no one is offended ,and if by chance someone is offended then they can make a complaint and persue it ,it shouldn't be upto a manager to decide for them what they should/should not be offended at

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

Would you feel the same way if the comment had been used in a bullying way? Would you accept someone potentially being bullied because it "was not your business"?

It may not have been immediately obvious to the 3rd party that the comment was used amongst friends.

could have asked

Hom3r · 11-04-2010, 19:48

Many years ago I was at work, and a college Born in Jamacia and the accent to go with it) called my number, rather than my dads the extention he wanted.

I was in another train of thought when he called, I responded in a unintentional very bad jamacian voice attept with "Yo maan whaat Yoou waant".

I suddenly realised "holy crap WTF have I done" . I said sorry staright away, but was deafended by his laughter down the phone.

For several days I kept saying sorry, but he kept saying don't worry I knew it wasn't meant in offence.

I should say that this guy was my mums supervisor before she went full time.

nomadking · 11-04-2010, 19:51

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

Erm, isn't the whole thread about a man losing his life?

Anyway, how about this question: can employees make any comments they like in the workplace, provided no-one complains?

Care to define 'any'? Who decides what can or can't be said? Well it's obviously not the majority.

Even if the remark that he should hide was said seriously, then it could still only be seen as a helpful/friendly comment.

Stuart · 11-04-2010, 19:53

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Originally Posted by martyh

could have asked

He might have, for all we know.

Will21st · 11-04-2010, 19:55

Couldn't have put it better myself.

11-04-2010, 19:57

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

He might have, for all we know.

i doubt any suspensions would have been handed out if the two parties had been asked

Xaccers · 11-04-2010, 19:57

If a company recieves a complaint about someone overhearing a comment of concern, they should be asked who the comment was directed to, and in what sort of manner was the comment made.
Then interview the person who it was directed at, did they hear it? Were they offended by it? Are they being victimised by the person who said it? Or was it friendly banter from a mate?
If they were offended, then the person who made the comment should then be disciplined (that could be a quiet word if the victim feels it appropriate or verbal warning), if they believe they are being victimised that should be investigated further and dealt with appropriately.
They should not suspend someone on the hearsay of a 3rd party.

Will21st · 11-04-2010, 19:59

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

Would you feel the same way if the comment had been used in a bullying way? Would you accept someone potentially being bullied because it "was not your business"?

It may not have been immediately obvious to the 3rd party that the comment was used amongst friends.

Wholly speculative on your part.even if it was bullying it would
be up to the bullied to complain.

Ed2020 · 11-04-2010, 20:01

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

If a company recieves a complaint about someone overhearing a comment of concern, they should be asked who the comment was directed to, and in what sort of manner was the comment made.
Then interview the person who it was directed at, did they hear it? Were they offended by it? Are they being victimised by the person who said it? Or was it friendly banter from a mate?
If they were offended, then the person who made the comment should then be disciplined, if they believe they are being victimised that should be investigated further and dealt with appropriately.
They should not suspend someone on the hearsay of a 3rd party.

Except it's not just about whether the person to whom the comment was directed found it offensive. It's also about people around them who may overhear.

Will21st · 11-04-2010, 20:02

Agreed

11-04-2010, 20:07

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

If a company recieves a complaint about someone overhearing a comment of concern, they should be asked who the comment was directed to, and in what sort of manner was the comment made.
Then interview the person who it was directed at, did they hear it? Were they offended by it? Are they being victimised by the person who said it? Or was it friendly banter from a mate?
If they were offended, then the person who made the comment should then be disciplined (that could be a quiet word if the victim feels it appropriate or verbal warning), if they believe they are being victimised that should be investigated further and dealt with appropriately.
They should not suspend someone on the hearsay of a 3rd party.

that's exactly my understanding of how most companies work especially i imagine one that is affiliated to the NHS
when i was a manager my company had a similar protocol ,as has been said earlier suspensions are not usually handed out like sweets i imagine it would cause problems for any company having to suspend an employee ,not to mention the cost

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Originally Posted by Ed2020

Except it's not just about whether the person to whom the comment was directed found it offensive. It's also about people around them who may overhear.

and therin lies the problem too many people are offended by remarks serious or in jest made by someone without knowing the background to the conversation

nomadking · 11-04-2010, 20:08

Has anyone got a valid interpretation of the events/comments where they could be seen in any shape or form as being negative?

If a black person had said it to another black person, there wouldn't have been complaints from anyone., but because it was a white person saying it, it is automatically classed as being racist. Isn't that racist?

11-04-2010, 20:09

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Has anyone got a valid interpretation of the events/comments where they could be seen in any shape or form as being negative?

If a black person had said it to another black person, there wouldn't have been complaints from anyone., but because it was a white person saying it, it is automatically classed as being racist. Isn't that racist?

imo yes it is