Politically Correct person makes man kill himself. - Page 3

**Damien** · 11-04-2010, 14:02

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Originally Posted by Will21st

Eh? How does that compare to the case? Somebody being rude,and then complaining about it is very reasonable! If the person then kills themselves I would agree there are most likely other factors playing a part.

But sneakily grassing someone up behind their back is an entirely different matter!I would find it very disturbing,especially if I had worked at a place for 30 years,and thought I know my colleagues well,if someone did that to me.

How does 'complaining' about someone and 'grassing them up' differ other than the fact that the cause of the complaint and the manor in which you describe it is subjective? Some people might find the comments that they perceive as racist, even though we know it wasn't, rude.

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'Here lies one of the many victims of New Labour's murderous PC ideology.'

I knew it must be Labour's fault somehow.

TheNorm · 11-04-2010, 14:18

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Originally Posted by Will21st

...A joke amongst friends is no-one else's business! ...

It is if it happens in the workplace.

11-04-2010, 14:18

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

It is if it happens in the workplace.

why?

**Damien** · 11-04-2010, 14:24

The other misconception people have here is that only black people can be offended at racism. This case, if taken as presented, would not offend me as the intention is friendly and therefore there is no hate or malice intended. Actual racism, where the comment is borne out of ignorance, hate and spite would offend me regardless of the fact that the ethnicity of the target differed from mine.

We also don't know if the person who made the complaint was aware of the context.
We also don't know any other facts regarding the case.

TheNorm · 11-04-2010, 15:22

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Originally Posted by martyh

why?

The workplace is quite a different environment to the privacy of your own home.

If you are at work and a colleague makes a comment that makes you feel uncomfortable, you might feel obliged to say nothing (especially if the colleague is more senior than you).

If you are at a party in someones house and a guest makes a comment that makes you feel uncomfortable, you can walk away, or tell them to shut up, or whatever.

Dai · 11-04-2010, 16:09

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

The workplace is quite a different environment to the privacy of your own home.

If you are at work and a colleague makes a comment that makes you feel uncomfortable, you might feel obliged to say nothing (especially if the colleague is more senior than you).

"It is understood that the man was a close friend of Mr Amor and was not offended. However, it was overheard by someone else who lodged a formal complaint."

I suggest that you read that carefully once or twice again and think about the reality of what happened.
Personally I can't get away from thoughts of the old East German Stasi..

TheNorm · 11-04-2010, 17:43

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Originally Posted by DaiNasty

"It is understood that the man was a close friend of Mr Amor and was not offended. However, it was overheard by someone else who lodged a formal complaint."

I suggest that you read that carefully once or twice again and think about the reality of what happened.
Personally I can't get away from thoughts of the old East German Stasi..

Whether or not Mr Amor was offended is not really relevant.

Suppose you walked into work and said to a black colleague "Wassup my nigga?"*, and he laughed. Are you suggesting this is acceptable language in the workplace?

* taken from a scene in a Jackie Chan movie.

Dai · 11-04-2010, 17:50

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

Whether or not Mr Amor was offended is not really relevant.

Suppose you walked into work and said to a black colleague "Wassup my nigga?"*, and he laughed. Are you suggesting this is acceptable language in the workplace?

Since I have seen and heard such language between black colleagues yes I would say that is entirely acceptable. It's up to the people involved to decide what is acceptable and absolutely NOT the business of any 3rd party to involve themselves.

TheNorm · 11-04-2010, 17:53

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Originally Posted by DaiNasty

Since I have seen and heard such language between black colleagues yes I would say that is entirely acceptable. It's up to the people involved to decide what is acceptable and absolutely NOT the business of any 3rd party to involve themselves.

So if the conversation was overheard by another colleague, action would only be taken if he was offended?

Isn't that a bit like saying there is no need to obey safety rules provided no-one gets hurt?

**Chris** · 11-04-2010, 17:55

Taking offence and losing a limb in an industrial accident are far from being even a bit alike.

Dai · 11-04-2010, 18:13

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

Isn't that a bit like saying there is no need to obey safety rules provided no-one gets hurt?

Actually it's nothing to do with that at all. Safety rules can be a matter of life and death. A few light-hearted words between friends are not in the same league by any stretch of the imagination.

11-04-2010, 18:19

[QUOTE=TheNorm;34999184]So if the conversation was overheard by another colleague, action would only be taken if he was offended?
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yes and it would be upto them(the offended) to report it

Spectato · 11-04-2010, 18:26

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I don't know how you can say it's obvious the man had issues.

Killing yourself is not a regular, balanced person's response to difficult situations or occurrences, otherwise we'd all be dropping like flies, just opening the winter fuel bills etc.
It's a desperate, last resort measure.
It's quite safe to assume that this guy "had issues".

**Maggy** · 11-04-2010, 18:29

The issue really is that are we going to allow legislation to underpin all our dealings with one another and do some business have too much layers of red tape in dealing with issues of isms.

We do seem to be at times entering the world of, if you will forgive the unintended pun,black and white.The tints and hues of grey are being eradicated from our lives.Our society does seem to have become an either/or one with no allowances for manoeuvrability within defined perimeters.

Sigh!

Dai · 11-04-2010, 19:29

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

The issue really is that are we going to allow legislation to underpin all our dealings with one another and do some business have too much layers of red tape in dealing with issues of isms.

We do seem to be at times entering the world of, if you will forgive the unintended pun,black and white.The tints and hues of grey are being eradicated from our lives.Our society does seem to have become an either/or one with no allowances for manoeuvrability within defined perimeters.

Sigh!

Agreed. The insidious and destructive evils of political correctness are determined to eradicate free speech and common sense. People speak of PC as if it's some sort of joke but it certainly is not. It's the most evil attempt to do away with debate and free discussion of important issues. If you are not "on-message" then you will be targeted and labelled as some sort of wicked person. We are rapidly losing the traditional British concept of free speech in favour of hardline PC rigidity.