The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

[frogstamper]

0.232 is the index for Brighton Pavillion which is judged as a "fairly safe" Labour seat.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Osem

The only way I'll definitely be slating anyone is if Brown manages to cling onto power. The next government will have a great many wrongs to put right and it won't be an easy or quick process so it'd be unfair to expect too much too soon and there'll be many losers no matter what else happens. That's the price of Brown's 'prudence' I'm afraid.

So, you won't be castigating "Dave" for his broken promises, when he raises VAT and extends it to include food?

"Flyboy", why don't you put "Gordon's" or "Tony's" names in quotes, as their names are "John" and "Anthony"?

Good to see you still promulgating Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt - you forgot to mention that Alastair Darling has refused to rule out raising VAT.

Last week Mr Darling, who has often fought to keep a prudent line in the face of pressure from Number 10, said that it would be “a ludicrous position to get into” for any Chancellor or would-be chancellor, to say they’re not ever going to change tax rates over the next five, ten years.”

What about Liam Byrne's (Labour's Chief Secretary to the Treasure) statement last month

Mr Byrne admitted: 'No. I mean, Chancellors reserve the right to come back to tax matters at every budget.'

And the source of your information - those unbiased people, Mandelson and Balls.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

So, you won't be castigating "Dave" for his broken promises, when he raises VAT and extends it to include food?

LOL do you think that's some form of tough question for me? If so, you're sadly mistaken. If Cameron, or anyone else for that matter, imposes VAT on food I will categorically castigate them!

For someone who hardly ever answers a question relating to Bliar and Brown's abysmal record you sure like asking them of others don't you. You even get quite indignant when other people adopt your own tactic...

How about you start answering a few questions around here, just for a change? I haven't counted but I think you owe Foreverwar more than a few answers from various topics so you might like to start with them..

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Originally Posted by Moldova

All they did was try to be a poor imitation of the tories and failed miserably and all Dave will do is line the pockets of big business by selling off more of the country, we are nothing to the likes of him and most other politicians, we are just the idiots who give them Carte Blanche to screw us into the ground.

What you mean like Brown's done with the bankers??.. We haven't got much left to sell off have we?

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Osem

What you mean like Brown's done with the bankers??.. We haven't got much left to sell off have we?

Where the is money to be had the are businesses to be sold and I mean anything that is still publically owned and regardless of the buyer being from the UK or abroad.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Moldova

Where the is money to be had the are businesses to be sold and I mean anything that is still publically owned and regardless of the buyer being from the UK or abroad.

We would have had a lot more money if that idiot Brown had not sold the gold off so bloody cheaply, Prudence my arse

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Sirius

We would have had a lot more money if that idiot Brown had not sold the gold off so bloody cheaply, Prudence my arse

And we know even as chancellor he was not prudent.

[Sirius]

Looking at the poll on here i see there has now been 9 votes for the racist BNP. Thats a few more than i expected.

They may be getting some of the UKIP vote......

[punky]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Looking at the poll on here i see there has now been 9 votes for the racist BNP. Thats a few more than i expected.

Less than I expected. More people vote BNP than you realise but due to public attitudes, they just don't talk about it.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

So, you won't be castigating "Dave" for his broken promises, when he raises VAT and extends it to include food?

I presume Flyboy that this is quite acceptable to you given your stubborn refusal to condemn anything Labour do?

Labour 'used personal data to send cancer patients post about Conservative health policies'

The party sent cards featuring a woman who had survived breast cancer to people who had received treatment for similar illnesses warning that its policy of guaranteeing they could see a specialist within two weeks was under threat.

A Labour spokesman insisted that the leaflets – which were addressed to recipients by name and bore the words: “are the Tories a change you can afford?” – were not targeted at cancer patients and came from socio-demographic research that is commercially and publicly available.

Labour sent 250,000 cards out last month before the general election campaign started. Many of those who received them had undergone cancer scans or treatment in the past five years.

Between this, dodgy Twitter activity suggesting that people try and defraud the Tories, using a mother of a murder victim to justify the authoritarian DNA database and the other dirt and cynical opportunism used by Labour looks like a high quality and policy based campaign they are running.

Presumably next will be some terrorist alerts and comments on how only New Labour can keep us safe by obliging us to have microchips installed in us and CCTV in our own homes, those being about the only place that isn't covered by it now.

[Mr Angry]

Whoever wants to win this election needs a plan B.

Plan "B":

Promise the electorate that if you are elected you will expunge everyone's credit history for the past six years and that you will, in doing so, force banks to honour their promises to lend to homebuyers, businesses and individuals.

In order that the electorate might keep you to your word it will be a legal requirement for the banks to publish monthly statistics on their lending and borrowing activties, both commercial and personal.

Have clearly defined guidelines in relation to loan application assessments and make illegal any "automated decision making processes" in relation to same.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I presume Flyboy that this is quite acceptable to you given your stubborn refusal to condemn anything Labour do?



Between this, dodgy Twitter activity suggesting that people try and defraud the Tories, and the other dirt already slung by Labour looks like a high quality and policy based campaign they are running.

And it's hacking people off - Labour are damaging themselves by all this negative campaigning, which we've seen on TV, newspapers, and on this forum.

All parties should be selling themselves on the benefits, not on how bad others are - could you imagine car ads being like that? "Don't buy Toyosan - they are going to cut their quality control staff in the future, and will put you and your family at risk!".

here's a nice little snippet from Clegg

Facing questions at a public meeting in Gateshead, he was asked whether the UK should encourage migrants.
Mr Clegg said there was "good immigration and bad immigration" but said the flow of migrants should be directed to parts of the country that could support an increase in population.
He said: "There are parts of Britain which are very, very overcrowded, particularly in the South East and there are other parts of Britain which are not."
Mr Clegg continued: "I think there's good immigration and there's bad immigration.

so they plan to allow more migrants in but spread them out a bit so no-one notices
would've been a great idea 20 yrs ago

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

And it's hacking people off - Labour are damaging themselves by all this negative campaigning, which we've seen on TV, newspapers, and on this forum.

All parties should be selling themselves on the benefits, not on how bad others are - could you imagine car ads being like that? "Don't buy Toyosan - they are going to cut their quality control staff in the future, and will put you and your family at risk!".

good point ,i would like to base my voting preference on how good a parties policy is not how bad the others are

[Osem]

I'd like to know how they intend to separate the 'good' immigration from the 'bad' and how they'd go about ensuring that the 'good' migrants go and stay where they're told....