Another protest against plans for a new mosque

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Not really. it was originally about the protests and violence involved when it comes to new mosques being built. it was Xaccers who started the parking thing earlier on. I have spoken about all sorts of parking and congestion problems.



It maybe my opinion to you now because there's nothing else to give you. can you present facts to state it's otherwise? or is it just your opinion without any basis for thinking that?

As there is no allowance making it ok to park a car because you are visiting a mosque (for prayers or otherwise) in either the Birmingham or Croydon parking regulations, I can only conclude that you are talking rubbish....AGAIN. I have yet to come across this is any parking regulation literature (I am now lookign at Islington's council website).Unfortunately for you, this seems to be another one of your arguments that can be filed under...Absolute garbage. If you want to present an argument at least have some facts to back it up. Otherwise you look extremely foolish.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

As there is no allowance making it ok to park a car because you are visiting a mosque (for prayers or otherwise) in either the Birmingham or Croydon parking regulations, I can only conclude that you are talking rubbish....AGAIN. I have yet to come across this is any parking regulation literature (I am now lookign at Islington's council website)

They just overlook it. turn a blind eye. take into account the reasons for why it's happening and realising that doing something may cost ill feeling and money?

Unfortunately for you, this seems to be another one of your arguments that can be filed under...Absolute garbage. If you want to present an argument at least have some facts to back it up. Otherwise you look extremely foolish.

This is an example of how it does happen. read some of the comments too.
http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Counci...ing.6134277.jp

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Gary L

They just overlook it. turn a blind eye. take into account the reasons for why it's happening and realising that doing something may cost ill feeling and money?




This is an example of how it does happen. read some of the comments too.
http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/Counci...ing.6134277.jp

From your link:

John Charlton, Sheffield Council's Director of Street Force, said: "We have continued to enforce along this corridor between 4.30pm and 6.30pm and in general we have not seen many vehicles parked illegally.

"We are now allocating two members of staff in a vehicle to watch this location until at least 7.15pm for the next for the next fortnight to help us to find out more about the problem."

Definately ignoring the problem then..... hmmmm yes ok. And since when has ticketing illegally parked cars cost councils money?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Definately ignoring the problem then..... hmmmm yes ok.

From my link.

A MOTORIST has accused councillors of "ignoring" parking problems at a city mosque they pledged to tackle a year ago.

Mark Shepherd, of Norton, wrote to Coun Ian Auckland, Sheffield Council cabinet member for transport, saying: "Having read in The Star last year of your concern, and that of your colleagues in this current administration, regarding the illegal parking outside the mosque on Wolseley Road, I was shocked the situation has been ignored since."

They were ignoring it at the start

And since when has ticketing illegally parked cars cost councils money?

When it becomes obvious that the council will have to do something about providing parking spaces? when you admit to a problem it usually costs money to fix it with councils.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Gary L

From my link.

A MOTORIST has accused councillors of "ignoring" parking problems at a city mosque they pledged to tackle a year ago.

Mark Shepherd, of Norton, wrote to Coun Ian Auckland, Sheffield Council cabinet member for transport, saying: "Having read in The Star last year of your concern, and that of your colleagues in this current administration, regarding the illegal parking outside the mosque on Wolseley Road, I was shocked the situation has been ignored since."

They were ignoring it at the start



When it becomes obvious that the council will have to do something about providing parking spaces? when you admit to a problem it usually costs money to fix it with councils.

Are you being deliberately obtuse or just stupid. Mark Shepard is not part of the council. For all we know his views could just be as bigotted and baseless as yours.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Are you being deliberately obtuse or just stupid.

Neither. are you both and more?

Mark Shepard is not part of the council.

Did I say he was?

For all we know his views could just be as bigotted and baseless as yours.

For all we know you're just being bigoted as well as the obvious baseless.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Gary L

When it becomes obvious that the council will have to do something about providing parking spaces? when you admit to a problem it usually costs money to fix it with councils.

It doesn't work like that Gary.
Councils don't have to provide extra parking in areas where there is illegal parking due to a lack of spaces.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Gary L

They just overlook it. turn a blind eye.

So you base that on one unknown person's say-so?

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Russ

So you base that on one unknown person's say-so?

Russ, dont waste your time mate. I regret giving him the time of day to his baseless posts.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

So you base that on one unknown person's say-so?

You've quoted me wrong Russ.

it's They just overlook it. turn a blind eye. take into account the reasons for why it's happening and realising that doing something may cost ill feeling and money?

See. it's now thoughts being questioned. not as how it looks the way you quoted to make it look like fact.

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Russ, dont waste your time mate. I regret giving him the time of day to his baseless posts.

If you feel that way. then I suggest you use the ignore feature.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Gary L

You've quoted me wrong Russ.

it's They just overlook it. turn a blind eye. take into account the reasons for why it's happening and realising that doing something may cost ill feeling and money?

See. it's now thoughts being questioned. not as how it looks the way you quoted to make it look like fact.

OK let me put it another way.

What makes you think "they just overlook it"?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

The Friday prayer is seen by most muslims as the most important 'regular' prayer to perform in congregation. Hence why you get a huge amount of people outside mosques on Friday afternoon. Because of the amount of people women will not attend in smaller mosques (as the emphasis is on men attending the prayer in congregation) but many large mosques have separate rooms.

What I dont understand about arguments that have been bought up by the parking issue is that illegally parked cars, be they outside the mosque or on a high street, will get ticketed or clamped. The mosques I regularly go to in South London are all on red routes - which limits parking extremely. Most people park in bays or legally on the road. They are also there for an hour maximum. I have seen cars get clamped and ticketed - but never the same car get ticketed or clamped twice. Generally people learn their lesson and park legally next time.

Yes I agree double parking and obstructions will happen. But there are ways that someone being illegally parked can deal with it. And there are fines in place to prevent it happening.

As for being penned in because cars are obstructing the driveway - a few years back my neighbour decided to park in front of my dropped down kerb as she thought she was entitled to do so. A quick call to the locall police station sorted out the problem in a few minutes.

Also bear in mind that mosques do not want to constantly have complaints regarding parking directed at them as it leads to hostility and tension between muslims and neighbouring non muslims. Quite a few mosques I know have people standing outside ensuring people are parked with consideration to others.

the other thing i noticed was the quality of the cars some tasty motors there.
doubt if it will be too long before the car thieves weigh up that little gold mine .

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

What makes you think "they just overlook it"?

Here it is again. I think they may overlook it because they don't want any ill feeling towards muslims wanting to go to the mosque. by accepting there's a problem can mean having to accept responsibility for the problem. they're probably not getting many complaints from the residents but only outsiders so don't feel they need to take any action and can carry on ignoring it?

[Taf]

I hate church bells when I'm trying to relax.... the muslim call to prayers would be just as annoying.

Have your religion, but keep it quiet please!

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

The Friday prayer is seen by most muslims as the most important 'regular' prayer to perform in congregation. Hence why you get a huge amount of people outside mosques on Friday afternoon. Because of the amount of people women will not attend in smaller mosques (as the emphasis is on men attending the prayer in congregation) but many large mosques have separate rooms.

What I dont understand about arguments that have been bought up by the parking issue is that illegally parked cars, be they outside the mosque or on a high street, will get ticketed or clamped. The mosques I regularly go to in South London are all on red routes - which limits parking extremely. Most people park in bays or legally on the road. They are also there for an hour maximum. I have seen cars get clamped and ticketed - but never the same car get ticketed or clamped twice. Generally people learn their lesson and park legally next time.

Yes I agree double parking and obstructions will happen. But there are ways that someone being illegally parked can deal with it. And there are fines in place to prevent it happening.

As for being penned in because cars are obstructing the driveway - a few years back my neighbour decided to park in front of my dropped down kerb as she thought she was entitled to do so. A quick call to the locall police station sorted out the problem in a few minutes.

Also bear in mind that mosques do not want to constantly have complaints regarding parking directed at them as it leads to hostility and tension between muslims and neighbouring non muslims. Quite a few mosques I know have people standing outside ensuring people are parked with consideration to others.

I believe the effectiveness of the police in taking action against illegal parking is very much down to your local force. The local community council meetings have had so many resident complaints, that after years of the police taking no action they have now been hounded by the residents to act.

The religious place of worship and parking problem is widespread amongst all religions, I believe the lack of action in our area was due to both the parking issues being on a Sunday and it involved the church.

I don't believe as stated in one previous post the council/police are afraid of being branded racists for taking action, in my view it would be more accurate to say, they are afraid of being classed as atheists if they took any action.

Places of worship (All religions) appear to be treated leniently in this respect, and the leniency they receive is possibly the main cause of friction aside from racism.